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123GT-AMAZON · Oct 21st, 2012, 10:16

intrested in

2. TP-51947 - Volvo PV444, PV544, P110 and Sport, PV445, P210 - 1944 to 1965
English, Swedish, German, French and Spanish content

whats the quailty like and are they availible still ??? cheers

Dan J · Dec 17th, 2012, 11:05

Despite what is suggested in the support document for this (linked from the main/home screen of the OTP disk) you CANNOT just transfer the license to a new PC. You can rebuild an existing PC and it should re-install fine but if you replace the hard disk or buy a new PC and try to re-install it will say you have no more licenses available and will not work. Having spent some time digging around various LockLizard help websites it looks like your only option it to approach the "vendor" to assist as LockLizard themselves don't maintain licenses.

The disks/software doesn't exactly provide many options for support and hunting around it seems the only route available is the support@otpubs.com email address. I emailed over the weekend and am still waiting on a reply.

I value this software/information but this is another example of overzealous copy protection causing irritation. Hopefully it will be sorted soon - I will update when/if I get a reply.

Dan J · Dec 19th, 2012, 18:13

Quick update. I got a reply back from support@otpubs.com with a new license within 24 hours and this has worked absolutely fine.

So to confirm - you will need to contact the support email address with an explanation if you get a new PC or replace your hard disk and they will send a replacement license.

Chris_C · Dec 24th, 2012, 16:43

Which is great, until OTPublications go bust.

Seriously, do they really think there is an epic market for the copying of 1960/70/80/90's car manuals.

Copy protection of this level for this product is just ridiculous. On the other hand, we do now have good access to green books unlike before I suppose

Chris Wickers · Dec 24th, 2012, 17:58

It is a valid point being made - what happens if OTP go bust - cease trading etc.

It is something I will put to them, and will update with their response.

With regard to protecting the info, it is my understanding that the equivalent was done for another marque, and was then copied and sold on a very considerable scale.

Kind regards

Chris

Steve940estate · Dec 24th, 2012, 21:03

It would be great if something could be sorted out. I don't know how long I will keep my car but would be very annoyed if I lost access to the manuals I had already bought.

Chris Wickers · Jan 10th, 2013, 00:44

Have re-emailed Mark from OTPUBS with the queries.

Will post once I have his response.

Regards

Chris

Chris Wickers · Jan 13th, 2013, 18:15

I am just waiting for one more response to my queries from Lock Lizard themselves. (I have written to them today)

Will post as soon as they come back to me.

Regards

Chris

Chris Wickers · Mar 31st, 2013, 14:37

I have re-contacted Lock Lizard by email and post today - I have had no response as yet to my initial enquiry.

I will also contact OTP later on again today to see their response.

Kind regards

Chris

Chris Wickers · Apr 7th, 2013, 15:48

I contacted Lock Lizard again, and they stated they had not received my first letter - which is possible.

In their defence they did respond to the second one with in 24 hours and to cut a long story short, they supply the software, but are not able to intervene should a business using their software cease trading - which I suppose makes sense.

I have also contacted OTP again but had no response - I am disappointed by this.

I do fully understand everyone's concerns, however from what I can see in today's economic climate there are always risks with businesses ceasing trading and this situation is not too dis-similar.

With regard to OTP ceasing the discs only become an issue if you have a hard drive failure/pc stolen.

With Lock Lizard ceasing trading then you have the issue of not being able to move it between machines.

I am aware what the responses will be to the above, and in a lot of ways fully understand and agree with them. However I can also see the other side, and without any copy protection then the discs would never have been produced as it would not have been viable as they would have been instantly pirated, as happened with the previous manufacturer that they were done for. If proof were needed just look at V*DA and V*DIS on Ebay.

So from my perspective - I have paid my £25 (same as everyone else) and can use the disc - if it ceases to work due to either business failing then I will curse and swear and no doubt be annoyed, but in fairness far less perhaps than with all the other situations where I spend money, and the losses would be far greater in the event of business failure.

Kind regards

Chris

PS will update as and when I get a response.

Oct 21st, 2012, 10:16	#41
123GT-AMAZON 1800necwinner Last Online: Today 10:25 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Anglia ,Suffolk , uk	intrested in 2. TP-51947 - Volvo PV444, PV544, P110 and Sport, PV445, P210 - 1944 to 1965 English, Swedish, German, French and Spanish content whats the quailty like and are they availible still ??? cheers __________________ I grew up on classic volvos hence my passion for them born and breed into the lifestyle !

Dec 24th, 2012, 16:43	#44
Chris_C Gopher Last Online: Oct 12th, 2023 15:31 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Southampton or Isle of Wight View Photos By: Chris_C	Which is great, until OTPublications go bust. Seriously, do they really think there is an epic market for the copying of 1960/70/80/90's car manuals. Copy protection of this level for this product is just ridiculous. On the other hand, we do now have good access to green books unlike before I suppose __________________ 2003 S60 D5 SE 1989 340GL - Fake - Gallery Project Thread - Spare parts car turned motorsport plaything. 8 more valves, 277 more cc's Previously, a lot of various 300s

Dec 24th, 2012, 17:58	#45
Chris Wickers Director Last Online: Apr 10th, 2024 08:00 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chelmsford	Lock Lizard It is a valid point being made - what happens if OTP go bust - cease trading etc. It is something I will put to them, and will update with their response. With regard to protecting the info, it is my understanding that the equivalent was done for another marque, and was then copied and sold on a very considerable scale. Kind regards Chris

Jan 10th, 2013, 00:44	#47
Chris Wickers Director Last Online: Apr 10th, 2024 08:00 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chelmsford	Update Have re-emailed Mark from OTPUBS with the queries. Will post once I have his response. Regards Chris

Jan 13th, 2013, 18:15	#48
Chris Wickers Director Last Online: Apr 10th, 2024 08:00 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chelmsford	OTP Publications I am just waiting for one more response to my queries from Lock Lizard themselves. (I have written to them today) Will post as soon as they come back to me. Regards Chris

Dec 17th, 2012, 11:05	#42
Dan J VOC Member Last Online: May 2nd, 2019 22:54 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Essex	Despite what is suggested in the support document for this (linked from the main/home screen of the OTP disk) you CANNOT just transfer the license to a new PC. You can rebuild an existing PC and it should re-install fine but if you replace the hard disk or buy a new PC and try to re-install it will say you have no more licenses available and will not work. Having spent some time digging around various LockLizard help websites it looks like your only option it to approach the "vendor" to assist as LockLizard themselves don't maintain licenses. The disks/software doesn't exactly provide many options for support and hunting around it seems the only route available is the support@otpubs.com email address. I emailed over the weekend and am still waiting on a reply. I value this software/information but this is another example of overzealous copy protection causing irritation. Hopefully it will be sorted soon - I will update when/if I get a reply.

Dec 19th, 2012, 18:13	#43
Dan J VOC Member Last Online: May 2nd, 2019 22:54 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Essex	Quick update. I got a reply back from support@otpubs.com with a new license within 24 hours and this has worked absolutely fine. So to confirm - you will need to contact the support email address with an explanation if you get a new PC or replace your hard disk and they will send a replacement license.

Dec 24th, 2012, 21:03	#46
Steve940estate Steam Driven PC Owner. Last Online: Mar 4th, 2024 23:50 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Not sure.	It would be great if something could be sorted out. I don't know how long I will keep my car but would be very annoyed if I lost access to the manuals I had already bought.

Mar 31st, 2013, 14:37	#49
Chris Wickers Director Last Online: Apr 10th, 2024 08:00 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chelmsford	Update I have re-contacted Lock Lizard by email and post today - I have had no response as yet to my initial enquiry. I will also contact OTP later on again today to see their response. Kind regards Chris

Apr 7th, 2013, 15:48	#50
Chris Wickers Director Last Online: Apr 10th, 2024 08:00 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chelmsford	Lock Lizard I contacted Lock Lizard again, and they stated they had not received my first letter - which is possible. In their defence they did respond to the second one with in 24 hours and to cut a long story short, they supply the software, but are not able to intervene should a business using their software cease trading - which I suppose makes sense. I have also contacted OTP again but had no response - I am disappointed by this. I do fully understand everyone's concerns, however from what I can see in today's economic climate there are always risks with businesses ceasing trading and this situation is not too dis-similar. With regard to OTP ceasing the discs only become an issue if you have a hard drive failure/pc stolen. With Lock Lizard ceasing trading then you have the issue of not being able to move it between machines. I am aware what the responses will be to the above, and in a lot of ways fully understand and agree with them. However I can also see the other side, and without any copy protection then the discs would never have been produced as it would not have been viable as they would have been instantly pirated, as happened with the previous manufacturer that they were done for. If proof were needed just look at VDA and VDIS on Ebay. So from my perspective - I have paid my £25 (same as everyone else) and can use the disc - if it ceases to work due to either business failing then I will curse and swear and no doubt be annoyed, but in fairness far less perhaps than with all the other situations where I spend money, and the losses would be far greater in the event of business failure. Kind regards Chris PS will update as and when I get a response.

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