Volvo PV444 wins 1957 Petit Lemans at Lime Rock! - Page 23

Derek UK · Sep 29th, 2020, 12:13

That looked to be a very nice Autumn drive. Nice 1952 Lancia Aurelia B21 Saloon (?) you could buy about 4 PV's for the cost of that. About £30k.

arcturus · Sep 29th, 2020, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Derek UK

George, very sad to read your sad news. Please accept my condolences. Enjoy your drive if you can, it's a time when you can do lots of thinking about good times past.
Take care. Stay safe.

My philosophy in life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUsRGuZb6k

Derek UK · Sep 29th, 2020, 22:47

That inspired a small tear. Play it again Sam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_JxDGVqXg

blueosprey90 · Sep 30th, 2020, 02:03

Well Arcturus, I don't know what to say. I am saddened for your loss. I know it is better to have a copilot that you can talk to even if she has you turned around half the time. The seat is empty, but I hope that you have good memories of trips gone by that will bring you happiness - and that you can still have a chat with the old girl once in a while. I can't imagine how hard it might be. Keep to the road, look forward to what's around the next bend and remember that life is for the living - so keep at it.

blueosprey90 · Oct 7th, 2020, 12:26

'57 PV444, B16B engine.

I have no idea whether the engine or transmission are original to the car. Supposedly the car came with a 3 speed transmission, but my transmission is a 4 speed.

My transmission is marked

Type – Det Nr – Tillv Nr
M3 254160 – 1450
Marked #656552 on top

So the confusing thing is why is it marked M3 when it is a 4 speed.

This Amazon site has a lot of information about the Amazon engines and drive train. http://www.volvoamazonpictures.se/po...powertrain.php

It states "In February 1958 the first Amazons with the new and fully synchronized four geared gearbox are produced. It is initially labeled M3 but this is changed just in time for the introduction (but some shop literature had already been printed with references to M3). M stands for manual and 4 indicate the number of gears. The M4 is fitted in both Volvo Amazon and Volvo Amazon Sport.

The Amazon gearbox part number is 254161 whereas the PV444 gearbox part number appears to be 254160. As was the case with the Amazon gearbox, mine is labeled M3, not M4 - but it is definitely a M4, although not synchronized in 1st.

I'm not sure what "Tilly Nr" means, but I suspect it is the transmission's serial number. My number at 1450 would suggest that it is an early box.

There is an October 1958 Volvo service bulletin (Group 400, No A44, Gearbox, M4) that calls for some modifications due to oil leaks for gearbox part numbers # 254160 and 254161. I'm thinking this means that the gearboxes are the same unit, only with a different part number because one is in the PV and one is in the Amazon.

The service bulletin refers to serial numbers, and for the 254160 transmission records a change from boxes with serial numbers after 9133 and then another modification at serial number 12746.

https://www.volvoclub.org.uk/tsb55-6...p400-NoA44.pdf

blueosprey90 · Dec 28th, 2020, 13:09

It's cold and we've already had 8 inches of snow!

The PV is tucked away in the garage with no winter prep nor with the oil change that I had planned to do. On Christmas Eve, I dug out the 6 volt trickle charger and put that on the battery. Plan is to make a push to finish the MGA engine reinstallation with hopes of showing the PV some love in the new year.

blueosprey90 · Jan 12th, 2021, 03:39

I took the PV to Upstate, New York (USA) for a drive last September. This was in the Adirondacks, a vast area where about half of the land is in forest preserve, another 25% is owned by the lumber companies and about 25% is privately owned.

I had hours of footage, but edited the first half of the drive down a bit. For what it's worth.

https://youtu.be/PP1jA7V3sxA?t=1

c1800 · Jan 12th, 2021, 04:40

Nice ride! My sister lived in New Milford for years. Beautiful country. Does your steering box need some adjustment?

Derek UK · Jan 12th, 2021, 13:06

A very enjoyable video. I know as drivers we tend to get used to our worn steering boxes but it does look as if there might be room for a little bit of tightening down on the adjustment. Might be less than a 1/4 turn would help. Don't over do it though. Car looks great. 3 speed box?

blueosprey90 · Jan 13th, 2021, 14:13

The steering is a bit loose, but it is nothing like some other cars I've driven.

I actually thought it was more the age of my tires. They are old enough to vote!

I'll see if I can tighten it up come spring.

4 speed box, but marked M3. Transmission cover mangled for fit. See posts #80 and #90 https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showt...=279014&page=8

Jan 12th, 2021, 03:39	#227
blueosprey90 Master Member Last Online: Yesterday 19:09 Join Date: May 2017 Location: New Milford, Connecticut	I took the PV to Upstate, New York (USA) for a drive last September. This was in the Adirondacks, a vast area where about half of the land is in forest preserve, another 25% is owned by the lumber companies and about 25% is privately owned. I had hours of footage, but edited the first half of the drive down a bit. For what it's worth. https://youtu.be/PP1jA7V3sxA?t=1 Last edited by blueosprey90; Jan 12th, 2021 at 03:42.

Sep 29th, 2020, 12:13	#221
Derek UK VOC Member Last Online: Apr 18th, 2024 17:06 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chatham	That looked to be a very nice Autumn drive. Nice 1952 Lancia Aurelia B21 Saloon (?) you could buy about 4 PV's for the cost of that. About £30k.

Sep 29th, 2020, 22:47	#223
Derek UK VOC Member Last Online: Apr 18th, 2024 17:06 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chatham	That inspired a small tear. Play it again Sam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p_JxDGVqXg

Sep 30th, 2020, 02:03	#224
blueosprey90 Master Member Last Online: Yesterday 19:09 Join Date: May 2017 Location: New Milford, Connecticut	Well Arcturus, I don't know what to say. I am saddened for your loss. I know it is better to have a copilot that you can talk to even if she has you turned around half the time. The seat is empty, but I hope that you have good memories of trips gone by that will bring you happiness - and that you can still have a chat with the old girl once in a while. I can't imagine how hard it might be. Keep to the road, look forward to what's around the next bend and remember that life is for the living - so keep at it.

Oct 7th, 2020, 12:26	#225
blueosprey90 Master Member Last Online: Yesterday 19:09 Join Date: May 2017 Location: New Milford, Connecticut	'57 PV444, B16B engine. I have no idea whether the engine or transmission are original to the car. Supposedly the car came with a 3 speed transmission, but my transmission is a 4 speed. My transmission is marked Type – Det Nr – Tillv Nr M3 254160 – 1450 Marked #656552 on top So the confusing thing is why is it marked M3 when it is a 4 speed. This Amazon site has a lot of information about the Amazon engines and drive train. http://www.volvoamazonpictures.se/po...powertrain.php It states "In February 1958 the first Amazons with the new and fully synchronized four geared gearbox are produced. It is initially labeled M3 but this is changed just in time for the introduction (but some shop literature had already been printed with references to M3). M stands for manual and 4 indicate the number of gears. The M4 is fitted in both Volvo Amazon and Volvo Amazon Sport. The Amazon gearbox part number is 254161 whereas the PV444 gearbox part number appears to be 254160. As was the case with the Amazon gearbox, mine is labeled M3, not M4 - but it is definitely a M4, although not synchronized in 1st. I'm not sure what "Tilly Nr" means, but I suspect it is the transmission's serial number. My number at 1450 would suggest that it is an early box. There is an October 1958 Volvo service bulletin (Group 400, No A44, Gearbox, M4) that calls for some modifications due to oil leaks for gearbox part numbers # 254160 and 254161. I'm thinking this means that the gearboxes are the same unit, only with a different part number because one is in the PV and one is in the Amazon. The service bulletin refers to serial numbers, and for the 254160 transmission records a change from boxes with serial numbers after 9133 and then another modification at serial number 12746. https://www.volvoclub.org.uk/tsb55-6...p400-NoA44.pdf

Dec 28th, 2020, 13:09	#226
blueosprey90 Master Member Last Online: Yesterday 19:09 Join Date: May 2017 Location: New Milford, Connecticut	It's cold and we've already had 8 inches of snow! The PV is tucked away in the garage with no winter prep nor with the oil change that I had planned to do. On Christmas Eve, I dug out the 6 volt trickle charger and put that on the battery. Plan is to make a push to finish the MGA engine reinstallation with hopes of showing the PV some love in the new year.

Jan 12th, 2021, 04:40	#228
c1800 Master Member Last Online: Apr 14th, 2024 16:22 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Alberta	Nice ride! My sister lived in New Milford for years. Beautiful country. Does your steering box need some adjustment?

Jan 12th, 2021, 13:06	#229
Derek UK VOC Member Last Online: Apr 18th, 2024 17:06 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chatham	A very enjoyable video. I know as drivers we tend to get used to our worn steering boxes but it does look as if there might be room for a little bit of tightening down on the adjustment. Might be less than a 1/4 turn would help. Don't over do it though. Car looks great. 3 speed box?

Jan 13th, 2021, 14:13	#230
blueosprey90 Master Member Last Online: Yesterday 19:09 Join Date: May 2017 Location: New Milford, Connecticut	The steering is a bit loose, but it is nothing like some other cars I've driven. I actually thought it was more the age of my tires. They are old enough to vote! I'll see if I can tighten it up come spring. 4 speed box, but marked M3. Transmission cover mangled for fit. See posts #80 and #90 https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showt...=279014&page=8

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