E85

charlotte001 · Aug 18th, 2009, 20:11

I know this is LPG Part but has anyone have any experience in converting to E85 bio fuel?

I can get hold of a full conversion in lue of some work done

Clan · Aug 18th, 2009, 21:00

why would you want to convert? There are no advantages even if you have a conversion done free ... What kind of conversion is it? There are a LOT of changes needed ... the fuel is very corrosive .

charlotte001 · Aug 18th, 2009, 21:51

Thats the first I've ever heard of E85 being extremely corrosive as its mainly petrol with some bio fuel made from sugar beet and it is biodegradable in water so its mainly the water than does the damage and E85 may eat certain rubbers but so will petrol also burns cooler than petrol so the plugs will have to be changed. Why a conversion because I can same as a majority of members have a lot of volvos because they can.

Clan · Aug 18th, 2009, 22:25

The reason i ask is that firstly the car will use 40% more E85 fuel than petrol which for a start makes it completely uneconomic as it is only slightly cheaper than petrol ..

If the engine is made specificly to run only on E85 by having a very high compressions ratio ( Like a GDI ) it will be more efficient .. but these dont exist yet .
The volvo flexi fuel will run on any combination of E85 and petrol .

The volvo Flexi-fuel has many modifications :
The fuel is corrosive so stainless steel pipes are used and special injectors which also have a much greater fuel flow to cope with the greater volumes of fuel being injected .
Different gasket materials are used where in contact with the fuel .
E85 is electricaly conductive which means a special fuel pump in the tank is needed .
The engine managment can detect the mix of petrol and E85 and adapt to suit ..
The contact between the fuel and any alluminuim and rubber must be eliminated .

so thats why i asked what advantage is there in using it apart from the emissions being much less but at a higher cost to you ...

charlotte001 · Aug 18th, 2009, 22:42

Your thoughts are taken on board, I will need to do more research before I consider it and will carry on with a multi point LPG conversion for now.

Clan · Aug 18th, 2009, 22:51

you will be better off on LPG for now until the government put the tax up like they did at the end of the 1980's . I was doing official Volvo LPG conversions from 1979 to 1985 , by the end of the 1980's it was uneconomic to do as the LPG fuel proces had risen too much ,
( i still have a 244 and 343 kit in the attic where i took them back off our families cars .) i can see it going the same way again now ... the fuel is said to be going up to £1.20 a litre , will the LPG follow or go up even more ?

James_N · Aug 19th, 2009, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Clan

... the fuel is said to be going up to £1.20 a litre , will the LPG follow or go up even more ?

surely LPG will always be roughly half the price of petrol give or take a few pence?

charlotte001 · Aug 22nd, 2009, 21:33

Depends if the government continues in lala land and believes that we will be happy paying insane taxes on it. I think LPG will only remain low until 2015 then no doubt it will sky rocket as petrol has

Government has to repay the money that they gave to the banks for messing up

Aug 18th, 2009, 20:11	#1
charlotte001 Premier Member Last Online: Jul 26th, 2012 11:13 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: norwich	E85 I know this is LPG Part but has anyone have any experience in converting to E85 bio fuel? I can get hold of a full conversion in lue of some work done __________________ Previous Volvos:850 GLT 2.5 20V Auto Saloon Silver. 1997 850 T-5 Auto Estate Nautic Blue Chipped ECU, V70 TCV, Carbon Cased Filter, 17inch alloys, Rattling Engine masking the suspension rattles. Engine doesn't rattle anymore

Aug 18th, 2009, 21:00	#2
Clan Experienced Member Last Online: Today 16:10 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L/H side	why would you want to convert? There are no advantages even if you have a conversion done free ... What kind of conversion is it? There are a LOT of changes needed ... the fuel is very corrosive . __________________ My comments are only based on my opinions and vast experience .

Aug 18th, 2009, 21:51	#3
charlotte001 Premier Member Last Online: Jul 26th, 2012 11:13 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: norwich	E85 Thats the first I've ever heard of E85 being extremely corrosive as its mainly petrol with some bio fuel made from sugar beet and it is biodegradable in water so its mainly the water than does the damage and E85 may eat certain rubbers but so will petrol also burns cooler than petrol so the plugs will have to be changed. Why a conversion because I can same as a majority of members have a lot of volvos because they can. __________________ Previous Volvos:850 GLT 2.5 20V Auto Saloon Silver. 1997 850 T-5 Auto Estate Nautic Blue Chipped ECU, V70 TCV, Carbon Cased Filter, 17inch alloys, Rattling Engine masking the suspension rattles. Engine doesn't rattle anymore

Aug 18th, 2009, 22:25	#4
Clan Experienced Member Last Online: Today 16:10 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L/H side	The reason i ask is that firstly the car will use 40% more E85 fuel than petrol which for a start makes it completely uneconomic as it is only slightly cheaper than petrol .. If the engine is made specificly to run only on E85 by having a very high compressions ratio ( Like a GDI ) it will be more efficient .. but these dont exist yet . The volvo flexi fuel will run on any combination of E85 and petrol . The volvo Flexi-fuel has many modifications : The fuel is corrosive so stainless steel pipes are used and special injectors which also have a much greater fuel flow to cope with the greater volumes of fuel being injected . Different gasket materials are used where in contact with the fuel . E85 is electricaly conductive which means a special fuel pump in the tank is needed . The engine managment can detect the mix of petrol and E85 and adapt to suit .. The contact between the fuel and any alluminuim and rubber must be eliminated . so thats why i asked what advantage is there in using it apart from the emissions being much less but at a higher cost to you ... __________________ My comments are only based on my opinions and vast experience .

Aug 18th, 2009, 22:42	#5
charlotte001 Premier Member Last Online: Jul 26th, 2012 11:13 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: norwich	E85 Your thoughts are taken on board, I will need to do more research before I consider it and will carry on with a multi point LPG conversion for now. __________________ Previous Volvos:850 GLT 2.5 20V Auto Saloon Silver. 1997 850 T-5 Auto Estate Nautic Blue Chipped ECU, V70 TCV, Carbon Cased Filter, 17inch alloys, Rattling Engine masking the suspension rattles. Engine doesn't rattle anymore

Aug 18th, 2009, 22:51	#6
Clan Experienced Member Last Online: Today 16:10 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: L/H side	you will be better off on LPG for now until the government put the tax up like they did at the end of the 1980's . I was doing official Volvo LPG conversions from 1979 to 1985 , by the end of the 1980's it was uneconomic to do as the LPG fuel proces had risen too much , ( i still have a 244 and 343 kit in the attic where i took them back off our families cars .) i can see it going the same way again now ... the fuel is said to be going up to £1.20 a litre , will the LPG follow or go up even more ? __________________ My comments are only based on my opinions and vast experience .

Aug 22nd, 2009, 21:33	#8
charlotte001 Premier Member Last Online: Jul 26th, 2012 11:13 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: norwich	E85 Depends if the government continues in lala land and believes that we will be happy paying insane taxes on it. I think LPG will only remain low until 2015 then no doubt it will sky rocket as petrol has Government has to repay the money that they gave to the banks for messing up __________________ Previous Volvos:850 GLT 2.5 20V Auto Saloon Silver. 1997 850 T-5 Auto Estate Nautic Blue Chipped ECU, V70 TCV, Carbon Cased Filter, 17inch alloys, Rattling Engine masking the suspension rattles. Engine doesn't rattle anymore

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