940 estate body technical dimensions

[SalvadorP]

Originally Posted by baggy798

There's this from Volvo_DataPocket_700-900.pdf

you are a lengend mate. thanks

[foggyjames]

Originally Posted by V40onepointeight

This would appear to be a test of your capacity to own a tape measure and your ability to use it. Case closed.

Unhelpful on a number of levels.

Much easier said than done, as well, given the shape of a car (even a 940!) - you may well find that you struggle to actually get accurate measurements without an awful lot of head scratching.

cheers

James

[SalvadorP]

Originally Posted by foggyjames

Unhelpful on a number of levels.

Much easier said than done, as well, given the shape of a car (even a 940!) - you may well find that you struggle to actually get accurate measurements without an awful lot of head scratching.

cheers

James

James, sounds like you don't have the capacity to own a tape measure and the ability to use it!

[Forrest]

As Salvador’s car is a 1997 model a European Certificate of Conformity should exist (possibly chargeable from Volvo) which I should have thought would have removed the need to DIY provide dimensions etc.

Threads like this really make me appreciate the UK decision to leave the mess that is Europe. There is a thin veneer of cooperation across nation states but scrape the surface and no one agrees on anything.

[Rversteeg]

Threads like this really make me appreciate the UK decision to leave the mess that is Europe. There is a thin veneer of cooperation across nation states but scrape the surface and no one agrees on anything.

On the contrary, once accepted in one EU country a new vehicle will also be accepted in another. The problem is much more in the fact that this is a 25 year old vehicle of which the history is unclear. I can imagine that Portugal before admitting in their system wants to make sure it is still in compliance with the official type approval, so with the correct approved catalyst etc.

I still remember the days that UK residents were buying their vehicles from The Netherlands as due to tax reasons they were much cheaper over here. Car manufacturers could easily spot these purchases as they were RHD and refused to deliver, but registration in the UK was no problem at all. Getting a package delivered from the EU to the UK is a nightmare these days, let alone having a car registered....

[SalvadorP]

Originally Posted by Forrest

As Salvador’s car is a 1997 model a European Certificate of Conformity should exist (possibly chargeable from Volvo) which I should have thought would have removed the need to DIY provide dimensions etc.

Threads like this really make me appreciate the UK decision to leave the mess that is Europe. There is a thin veneer of cooperation across nation states but scrape the surface and no one agrees on anything.

Forrest, it's a bit more complicated than that. But I will give the details so people understand. My car DOES have CoC, but there is a minor detail I left out. In spain, until 2000 (i believe, but possibly 99) the car registry paperwork was made, not with the EC number, but with the national (and in the case of spain, even more probalematicly, regional) number. All cars had to have homologation and CoC, but the paperwork doesn't mention it. It only mentions the national number. For example in my case, the the K1 section (for the coc number) has B23790 (or something similar), B standing for Barcelona.

So, when I asked for the equivalent homologation number of my model in Portugal, they said the car was not homologated. Because the K1 section in the registration didn't have the standard number starting with "e*etc"... I sent them the Vin plate, proving that the car was indeed homologated but they didn't care. It wasn't on the paperwork so screw me, i guess.
In Spain, Volvo washed their hands. 4 different dealerships in 2 different autonomous regions said they were unable to make the coc for my car. Because they did not understand the situation and assumed that if the car paperwork didn't have the EC number, then it meant it WASN'T homologated. Despite the fact that it would have been illegal for Volvo to sell non-homologated cars in 97... So you can imagine my frustration...
So I had 3 option, either get the national homologation number for my model, which they denied it existed, get the coc in Spain, which they refused to do, or get the coc in Portugal. Turns out, in portugal, Volvo doesn't do CoCs, instead there is only one company that is officially allowed to do the Volvo CoCs. It also happens that this company has a well deserved 1 star rating on google reviews (not exagerating). They wanted me to do the entire homologation process as if the car was not homologated, which was like 600€ total... It took me 4 or 5 months of back and forth and I had to make several complaints in Volvo Portugal for the thing to be resolved. Ultimately Volvo interceeded in my favour and the CoC that I had been waiting (and had already paid for) for 3 months, suddenly appeared on my email a few hours after Volvo got involved.

I understand your frustrations of EU burocracy, but in this case it is more of a Spanish/Portuguese mess and also the product of what was a transitional period in which things were done differently accross countries and autonomous regions.

BTW, fun fact, my CoC and Spanish registration says the car has a capacity of 7, but the national homologation of the model says it is 5, so I'm hopping these guys are not going to make a big scene out of that discrepancy, which would not suprise me at all.

Also, neither the EC coc, nor the national homologation papers (which the Portuguese Transportation Office finally gave me after I presented the coc) contain these measurements (the ones I asked on this post) that the same office requires in order to register the car :s what a mess

[SalvadorP]

Originally Posted by Rversteeg

On the contrary, once accepted in one EU country a new vehicle will also be accepted in another. The problem is much more in the fact that this is a 25 year old vehicle of which the history is unclear. I can imagine that Portugal before admitting in their system wants to make sure it is still in compliance with the official type approval, so with the correct approved catalyst etc.

I still remember the days that UK residents were buying their vehicles from The Netherlands as due to tax reasons they were much cheaper over here. Car manufacturers could easily spot these purchases as they were RHD and refused to deliver, but registration in the UK was no problem at all. Getting a package delivered from the EU to the UK is a nightmare these days, let alone having a car registered....

You are right, but there is also another problem that I explained in the comment above.
But basically this is all because the fact that some countries, in the begining, made the paperwork with the equivalent national/regional homologation number instead of the EC number that is on the Vin plate. I'm not going to get into it, because I explained in detail in the other comment, for anyone who's interested.

But I do have to say that the individual that had the idea that making a car's paper registry info purposefully mismatch the car's VIN plate has to be a proper dumbass.

[V40onepointeight]

OK, I'll admit that as a dual Portuguese/British national I was a little unimpressed about Portugal being described as a 'joke country'.

Anyway, moving swiftly on, and will some sound, relevant and even friendly advice:

- I assume Salvador is completing the Modelo 9 form. I dug out 2 I completed, and the diagram looks the same as that on 2 forms I submitted previously and successfully. Essential: it sounds silly but don't forget to tick the tiny box adjacent to the car diagram on the left. That omission would have you invited not to correct the form but to take the vehicle to be inspected.

- Dimension A is not needed, as it's a passenger vehicle. There is a tiny instruction saying that but some miss it and write in stuff which isn't needed and confuses the clerk processing it.

- As you can see from the instructions, no formal corroborating evidence of any kind is needed about the dimensions.

- The mentality of the IMT is really that completeness is more important than precision. They have no database of makes/models/variants against which to check anything anyway.

- I also had anomalies and mismatches on various officially issued papers both times. It didn't worry IMT and the applications sailed through. Give me a choice between IMT and DVLA on similar matters and it's no contest.

[SalvadorP]

Originally Posted by V40onepointeight

OK, I'll admit that as a dual Portuguese/British national I was a little unimpressed about Portugal being described as a 'joke country'.

Anyway, moving swiftly on, and will some sound, relevant and even friendly advice:

- I assume Salvador is completing the Modelo 9 form. I dug out 2 I completed, and the diagram looks the same as that on 2 forms I submitted previously and successfully. Essential: it sounds silly but don't forget to tick the tiny box adjacent to the car diagram on the left. That omission would have you invited not to correct the form but to take the vehicle to be inspected.

- Dimension A is not needed, as it's a passenger vehicle. There is a tiny instruction saying that but some miss it and write in stuff which isn't needed and confuses the clerk processing it.

- As you can see from the instructions, no formal corroborating evidence of any kind is needed about the dimensions.

- The mentality of the IMT is really that completeness is more important than precision. They have no database of makes/models/variants against which to check anything anyway.

- I also had anomalies and mismatches on various officially issued papers both times. It didn't worry IMT and the applications sailed through. Give me a choice between IMT and DVLA on similar matters and it's no contest.

I could care less for what you deem "unimpressive".

You are the first and only disrespectful person I've seen in this forum, in any conversation involving me or anyone else. Your patronizing remark in this thread was not the first of its kind while replying to me, as it had already happened in another of my recent posts. So, I will abstain from engaging any further with you.