D4 VEA 'check engine' light / EGR fault thread

[Zebster]

Originally Posted by Lojzek

Do you think there could be any problem with dpf filter if you do egr delete, or something else, some other problems?

It won't cause any problems for the vehicle. But here in the UK it's illegal to disable emission control features, even though our annual vehicle check cannot currently detect such disablement.

[marsdalebear]

What is the difference between the subject of this thread and the subject of https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=300377

Just asking.

[Dash300]

Originally Posted by marsdalebear

What is the difference between the subject of this thread and the subject of https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=300377

Just asking.

Well spotted. If one was cynical it could be argued that such a fix, if that is what it is, has been prioritised from the top of the model range downwards.
I know my place and await my turn

[Zebster]

Originally Posted by marsdalebear

What is the difference between the subject of this thread and the subject of https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=300377

Just asking.

That other thread is for the VEA intake manifold deformation/fire recall on SPA era cars... it's P3 era equivalent would be here... https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=296328 It's the same recall!

This thread was originally intended to discuss VEA EGR cooler blockage issues on P3 era cars, however there has been some mission creep!

[marsdalebear]

Originally Posted by Zebster

That other thread is for the VEA intake manifold deformation/fire recall on SPA era cars... it's P3 era equivalent would be here... https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=296328 It's the same recall!

This thread was originally intended to discuss VEA EGR cooler blockage issues on P3 era cars, however there has been some mission creep!

So we have 3 threads on the same subject?

[Zebster]

Originally Posted by marsdalebear

So we have 3 threads on the same subject?

No, this thread is not about the manifold recall. The other two threads are the same, but this reflects that the same defective engine being used across two generations of Volvo and how this forum is structured.

[marsdalebear]

Originally Posted by Zebster

No, this thread is not about the manifold recall. The other two threads are the same, but this reflects that the same defective engine being used across two generations of Volvo and how this forum is structured.

Not being obtuse here, but I am sure that I have read that the EGR issue is linked to the melting manifold issue?
If my MY 17 , 16 plate XC60 throws a CEL and I take it in for the manifold fix (should there ever be one) would I be right in insisting that the EGR cooler and valve were also fixed under the recall? My top hose has no T piece that I can see.
It seems silly to have 2 (or 3) threads on the same subject and engine, surely they could be merged under the Diesel Engine section?

[D4dilemma]

Originally Posted by marsdalebear

Not being obtuse here, but I am sure that I have read that the EGR issue is linked to the melting manifold issue?
If my MY 17 , 16 plate XC60 throws a CEL and I take it in for the manifold fix (should there ever be one) would I be right in insisting that the EGR cooler and valve were also fixed under the recall? My top hose has no T piece that I can see.
It seems silly to have 2 (or 3) threads on the same subject and engine, surely they could be merged under the Diesel Engine section?

The whole issue across several threads is essentially all about the same problem whose root is in the inherent EGR related issue. Essentially original 2014/15 etc cars had blocking EGR valves and coolers en masse. They changed the form of cooler and pipework and claimed it was a permanent fix - I had it in writing off Volvo. The fact it is several threads appears due to Volvo disingenuously pretending the fire risk and EGR issues are separate. If they admitted it they would be liable for all the EGR related repairs.
The fix only worked to the extent the actual EGR valve itself didn’t tend to block after just a few miles but the gunge it passed on into the engine via manifold etc led to eventually to blocked manifolds, inlet valves obstructed hence not sealing and in some cases melting manifolds and fire risk. Engine repairs can run into thousands and each car can be a bit of a battle to get Volvo to pay.
Volvo have dodged around the issue but the safety aspect forced them to issue the Recall notice in July 19 where they promised to develop a fix for the fire risk but refused to admit it was all the same problem. Surprise,surprise word is the proposed fix will be sensors and software to shut down a leaking cylinder...then what? In other words admitting the above is completely true and that as manufactured the cars are not fit for purpose because the engine fault itself cannot be repaired. Hence the dodging around.
Answers to Honest John from Volvo about the recall indicated 2019 Carr’s were unaffected but buyers of 2018 cars from dealers were given appropriate advice. I doubt that advice was anything like what the “non fix” was going to be. Nobody sane would buy a car with an engine potentially switching to 3 cylinders and needing thousands of pounds in repairs at any time.

[ComradeBT]

The level of fumes inside the cabin of the car has returned over the last couple of weeks. This occurs when I start the car but dissipates as soon as I open the windows and start driving. However, the other day whilst driving along the motorway, mid-journey, I also noticed the smell and could taste the fumes inside the cabin again. This lasted for 15-20 minutes or so before disappearing again.

I am not technically minded to understand the true nature of all details in relation to what seems to be more than one issue (not just limited to the EGR cooler replacement Volvo carried out on my vehicle in late spring?), however, is this all linked to the potential recall of V60 D4 diesel (plus other diesel variants) by Volvo?

I received an initial letter from Volvo UK several months back warning about a potential recall but have had no further correspondence since. Can anyone provide a layman's terms summary of where we are at? A quick synopsis on the common problem(s) and an update on the delayed recall from Volvo?

[Zebster]

Originally Posted by ComradeBT

The level of fumes inside the cabin of the car has returned over the last couple of weeks. This occurs when I start the car but dissipates as soon as I open the windows and start driving. However, the other day whilst driving along the motorway, mid-journey, I also noticed the smell and could taste the fumes inside the cabin again. This lasted for 15-20 minutes or so before disappearing again.

I am not technically minded to understand the true nature of all details in relation to what seems to be more than one issue (not just limited to the EGR cooler replacement Volvo carried out on my vehicle in late spring?), however, is this all linked to the potential recall of V60 D4 diesel (plus other diesel variants) by Volvo?

I received an initial letter from Volvo UK several months back warning about a potential recall but have had no further correspondence since. Can anyone provide a layman's terms summary of where we are at? A quick synopsis on the common problem(s) and an update on the delayed recall from Volvo?

I don't see how that's got anything to do with EGR cooler issues, possibly more related to the VEA oil fume issues discussed here?... https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=297903

The time duration you report in relation to some occurences of this problem might suggest that it's linked to active DPF regeneration? However I've never once noticed mine doing this and can only tell that active regeneration is happening when the stop/start becomes temporarily inactive for around 20 minutes whilst cruising at motorway speeds.

Other common VEA issues (probably also unrelated to the subject of this EGR cooler thread) include high oil consumption (mine needs the odd top up), an exhaust manifold oxygen sensor sooting up (there is a software fix for this which seems to have fixed mine) and the EMAP pipe becoming blocked (I've yet to suffer this one).

Apparently the manifold deformation/fire risk recall actions are now being executed, but I haven't yet received any further official correspondence from Volvo about this. Posts elsewhere suggest that it may just be a software update to detect and report on the situation if/when intake valves fail to properly close due to soot build up and maybe even shut down affected cylinders?