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Wanted Your Faulty S60/S70/V70 Necam Stepper Motors

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Old Dec 19th, 2015, 19:34   #11
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I am just going outside and may be some time...
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Old Dec 19th, 2015, 20:09   #12
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Old Dec 20th, 2015, 10:13   #13
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If I recall it was a bit nippy, so I wouldn't if I were you.
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Old Dec 20th, 2015, 11:32   #14
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If I recall it was a bit nippy, so I wouldn't if I were you.
This is becoming hard work but I'll try asking again.

Do you help people repair their motors or do you just use the forum to buy and sell the motors which is fair enough but shouldn't you be registered as a trader?
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Old Dec 20th, 2015, 12:25   #15
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I can tell you that cng is not an installer so not a trader. He just has some of the bifurcation cars and does a LOT of miles and is collecting spares to keep them going for as long as possible.
He has worked out how to repair the units and has posted up some info on them. He does offer repairing them for others at a price (lot less than new ones used to be). I don't think he needs to register as a trader. However perhaps a clear thread setting out what the deal is would be much better as a service for those with the factory bifuel cars
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I can tell you that cng is not an installer so not a trader. He just has some of the bifurcation cars and does a LOT of miles and is collecting spares to keep them going for as long as possible.
He has worked out how to repair the units and has posted up some info on them. He does offer repairing them for others at a price (lot less than new ones used to be). I don't think he needs to register as a trader. However perhaps a clear thread setting out what the deal is would be much better as a service for those with the factory bifuel cars
Thank you.
I've been offered a couple of Bi Fuel in the last couple of months but steered clear.
Just trying to work out if they're worth a punt or more trouble than they're worth.
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Old Dec 21st, 2015, 19:19   #17
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Thank you classic. I run a business much like you, and part of that means I do galactic mileages, so have made a point of collecting those obscure parts distinct to my Bifuel - this to keep me on the road. However Volvo parts are not really my business. To date I've sold a dozen or so stepper motors and that is all. It's a sideline. I am far from a proper LPG man. My background in electronics makes reapir and uprades possible. It started out of fear of no longer getting hold of steppers, and the price of the things. Had I not worked it out, I'd have had you fit me a system long since.

Having invited me to cut my own throat once, I found cheshired5's question when repeated somewhat surreal. perpelexing and amusing with a mind to what I had already made clear before his question. Rather tahtn make my time and effort to achieve thsi knowledge, and my pile of steppers worthless, as he was requesting, I was quietly coaxing him round to walking in another's shoes, to focus his mind on why he would think he could ask. Once that thought comes into his head... well. we're probably helping him in other aspects of his life.

Thanks. I think the penny will drop, unless he's one of the very fortuante, and skips into work for the pure joy of it, he has to sell his time for profit and gain much like the rest of us. It's jsut that this thought hadn't crossed his mind. He's clearly a very young lad, very green, but forgiven.

I had best put up a post on what I do offer but in short it's steppers reconned and upgraded so that they don't fall out of bed. I am no LPG pro. Just a humble 'sparks' that has his head around the Necam system. it's very clever save the one issue, which I sort. All i do is beef-up two components. I am sure Necam are aware of this issue, but it is not in their interest to mod. it.

cheshired5 - Good luck to you.
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Old Dec 22nd, 2015, 07:21   #19
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Thank you candles

To answer the wider point, are the Bifules any good? Absolutely. You will need to listen intently to the points I have already made and be fastidious in following these. Especailly about keeping the distributor clean. Woe betide you if you if you ignore this particulary if running the LPG flavour.

LPG is dirty, dirty stuff which produces heavy-ends to clog and burn out your distributor and thus fry your stepper motor. Which would be fine if they were £40 a throw as they are for the Ford version of this Necam system. Only they are not. Worst bit is that last year, the things were not available at any price. Necam have jsut made another batch.

I understand, getting to the stepper to clean it is a pain on the later models. On my 1999 model it is a 3 min. job. Fire injecotr cleaner in there and let it soak. Do this every 10,000 miles. Some are not fitted witha filter between the regulator and the disrtibutor. These are £4.00 or £45.00 from Volvo. Fit one.

There is also a design flaw within the stepper that measn that they will often go wayward. This I fix for you, better than new. Follow my advice and I can assure you, Volvo Bifuels are very decent vehicles, that with clean fluids, will do mad mileages, and not crumble away before yoru very eyes, like a Merc (and some Beemers) of the same vintage.

I did nearly 60,000 miles last year, and 40 odd the year before. These things will do the miles. So if you do big-girl's blouse miles but keep everything clean; watch what will oterwise kill them at 150,000... the ATF, the PCV, and the ETM, these things will outlast you. And there are very few vehilces made of thsi vintage you can say that about, simply becasue quite reasonabley (and think about my point here cheshirered) why would or should there be? What makes you think car manufacturers are about us?

For example Mercedes used to make cars of such quality, that they could do 300,000 miles but never did, becasue they have the parts and servicing, priced such that by the time they get to those miles, the bill is more than the car is worth. Hence they are 'cubed' or found parked outside Kebab takeaways. They want them crushed or undriven. They succeed.

Unlike old Volvos. These go to the cuber, because they suffer from loss of snob-appeal, an ol' duffer image and lack of maintenace at the crucial points and mileage-markers. Not parts prices.

Now send me your steppers so that I may continue to offer this service to those of you with Bifuels, and pile on those mad miles. It'll do it.
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