LPG: When will people learn! (???)

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by Russki

Oh my god! What an eye opener! Please travel to Ukraine and tell all of those private taxi drivers that they should stop immediately, because they unknowingly drive LPG all the time and it is so popular that almost any petrol station there now sells LPG.

I seen one guy with 230l of LPG tank in his a4 avant

I think that’s great. A clean wfficient fuel used reliably.

Still does not change the fact that the ones I see in the uk are very unreliable, don’t really function as intended and that this thread has 2 sides, those that sel lpg and those that except they can be a lot of trouble.

Incidentally, 230l? Why? Is that cos he can’t find a station? He must be able to travel near 2000 miles without a refil.... that’s mad.

[classicswede]

Originally Posted by mentepazza

The fact they use it doesnt make it reliable.
I think the point is mechanics are cheap and they won’t charge you a fortune like in Uk everytime the system is at fault.
This said I have seen many Toyota Prius converted lpg in Italy by taxi drivers.
Quite complex hybrid car. It may worth the money lpg conversion.

I was involved with the very first Prius to be converted to LPG. At the time there were some complications with the conversion but more modern systems are much better able to deal with Hybrid engines. They are now very popular Taxis

[GreenBrick]

I think what we are seeing here is a few people have had a bad experience with LPG and so are (in their mind) right to say don't touch them with a barge pole.

I could chime in saying never by anything from VAG because of all the trouble I have had, but I guess someone must have owned a Golf or Audi that isn't sh!te (just not me).
And as for common rail diesels, well, so far I have managed a whole 3 miles in my recently acquired Corsa before it lunched its ECU and needed towing home. I'm not a fan of modern diesels, but I used to be when they were reliable and had no electronics. This was given to me, as a stop-gap, more "stop" than anything else :-(

I am looking forward to driving my LPG powered Jeep when I have finished rebuilding the engine.

I believe there are many thousands of Taxis running around the world on LPG with no problem, so I think the biggest issue is poor after-market installations (my Jeep is no exception - I will be correcting the mistakes during this rebuild).

I also have an LPG kit for a 4-cylinder engine for sale, probably not best thread to sell it on, though...

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by GreenBrick

I think what we are seeing here is a few people have had a bad experience with LPG and so are (in their mind) right to say don't touch them with a barge pole.

I could chime in saying never by anything from VAG because of all the trouble I have had, but I guess someone must have owned a Golf or Audi that isn't sh!te (just not me).
And as for common rail diesels, well, so far I have managed a whole 3 miles in my recently acquired Corsa before it lunched its ECU and needed towing home. I'm not a fan of modern diesels, but I used to be when they were reliable and had no electronics. This was given to me, as a stop-gap, more "stop" than anything else :-(

I am looking forward to driving my LPG powered Jeep when I have finished rebuilding the engine.

I believe there are many thousands of Taxis running around the world on LPG with no problem, so I think the biggest issue is poor after-market installations (my Jeep is no exception - I will be correcting the mistakes during this rebuild).

I also have an LPG kit for a 4-cylinder engine for sale, probably not best thread to sell it on, though...

I think you will find it’s because lpg systems are Inherently unreliable. Post after post on here agrees. Not just mine.

[classicswede]

Says the guy who has never owned one.

Read the thread again with your glasses on

[Russki]

Originally Posted by XC90Mk1

I think that’s great. A clean wfficient fuel used reliably.

Still does not change the fact that the ones I see in the uk are very unreliable, don’t really function as intended and that this thread has 2 sides, those that sel lpg and those that except they can be a lot of trouble.

Incidentally, 230l? Why? Is that cos he can’t find a station? He must be able to travel near 2000 miles without a refil.... that’s mad.

Because he is a taxi driver. More driving = more money. They do crazy mileages and depend on a car to make a living. If it was no sense and just waste of time and money nobody would ever do it especially private taxi drivers.
In Ukraine there is also people like yourself telling some bull story how LPG is unreliable, but the main concern is that LPG blows up every second time it starts.
The thing is that decent LPG system is reliable, proven to last a looong while even with abuse. Proven to prolong engine oil life and reduce engine wear all of this is a fact proven by numerous positive experiences and happy drivers worldwide. Just compare it to the argument of “the guy that works with my neighbors father in law said it’s unreliable and ****e” it’s like eating raw unidetified piece of meat that you found on a street and saying that “beef tastes like a piece of garbage with stench”
It’s just obtuse

[Russki]

Originally Posted by GreenBrick

I think what we are seeing here is a few people have had a bad experience with LPG and so are (in their mind) right to say don't touch them with a barge pole.

I could chime in saying never by anything from VAG because of all the trouble I have had, but I guess someone must have owned a Golf or Audi that isn't sh!te (just not me).
And as for common rail diesels, well, so far I have managed a whole 3 miles in my recently acquired Corsa before it lunched its ECU and needed towing home. I'm not a fan of modern diesels, but I used to be when they were reliable and had no electronics. This was given to me, as a stop-gap, more "stop" than anything else :-(

I am looking forward to driving my LPG powered Jeep when I have finished rebuilding the engine.

I believe there are many thousands of Taxis running around the world on LPG with no problem, so I think the biggest issue is poor after-market installations (my Jeep is no exception - I will be correcting the mistakes during this rebuild).

I also have an LPG kit for a 4-cylinder engine for sale, probably not best thread to sell it on, though...

Factory fitted LPG in Ukraine is as common as white tigers. The wast majority of it is aftermarket kits. People do it even as DIY and often blow themselves up. If you stop a random woman on the street there she will definitely advise you not to go near LPG cause it’s blows up all the time, but she never saw it with her own eyes.

[CNGBiFuel]

Proven to prolong engine oil life and reduce engine wear all of this is a fact proven by numerous positive experiences and happy drivers worldwide.

Yup, here's that proof...

There's not a car on the road running petrol, that can do a 28,000 mile oil-change interval and come back with an oil-analysis report from Blackstone that reads like this... ie: suggesting I can leave my oil changes for longer.

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by Russki

Because he is a taxi driver. More driving = more money. They do crazy mileages and depend on a car to make a living. If it was no sense and just waste of time and money nobody would ever do it especially private taxi drivers.
In Ukraine there is also people like yourself telling some bull story how LPG is unreliable, but the main concern is that LPG blows up every second time it starts.
The thing is that decent LPG system is reliable, proven to last a looong while even with abuse. Proven to prolong engine oil life and reduce engine wear all of this is a fact proven by numerous positive experiences and happy drivers worldwide. Just compare it to the argument of “the guy that works with my neighbors father in law said it’s unreliable and ****e” it’s like eating raw unidetified piece of meat that you found on a street and saying that “beef tastes like a piece of garbage with stench”
It’s just obtuse

Russki, by any chance do you sell LPG? Every other positive post on here is by people that sell the equipment. I think you would be one of the first guys here to promote LPG that does not actually sell the product.

[CNGBiFuel]

We all have vested interests? Really, not as I read it? Agreed, there's 'classic' and he's a pro, but he is quite upfront about his position. Many of us here are like me, we simply run gasified cars well.

You in turn 'bang on' about poor reliabilty. Few would argue with you that this is a problem, and almost always rooted in poor installation. It's where gassing a car got its poor rap.

The idea that ‘next weekend’ you can ‘bung-in’ a gas conversion - all for £600 - stretches the truth. There are exceptions, but most of you with experience know the reality. Doing it right takes three times longer. Else, it’s a lash-up which needs to be done again.

Which is where I came in. If a money-pit ‘bung-in’ is the plan, better not to start in the first... Gashed-in conversions don't work, or don't work for long.

But answer with facts. Are you really saying, for example, that...

a) Hong Kong's taxi drivers mandated to run the stuff - have LPG wrong?
b) Argentina, with the biggest proportions of gassed cars in the world. 15% of ALL cars there run gas, and rising. And for the last 30 years they've been doing this. Are these cars not working then? Thus should run petrol?

It seems gasification's detractors base their argument on badly executed conversions and heresay. There are far more successful users than not. Unfortunately it is true, the ‘bung-in’ merchants do the rest of us no service.

Agreed this is off at a tangent, but I'd love to give the likes of Texaco, Esso etc a proper kicking, as the Argies do!

https://blogs.platts.com/2018/07/02/...na-gas-demand/