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Old Apr 15th, 2021, 14:30   #561
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... I had noticed that one as well Dave, selling a 240 because of the ULEZ but replacing it with a Scimitar - bunkum!
Too many things smell fishy on this one Alan!
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... our rusty old friend has reappeared again, this time for £1,400 or offers:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-240...gAAOSw~LlgV5Hr

... at this rate it should be down to a sensible price before the school summer hols :-)
... our rusty old friend attracted a single bid (of £1,400), then the ad disappeared close to the end of the auction only to be re-listed the same day (same ad, no bids). I rather suspect the seller is dabbling in shill bidding again.

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... our rusty old friend attracted a single bid (of £1,400), then the ad disappeared close to the end of the auction only to be re-listed the same day (same ad, no bids). I rather suspect the seller is dabbling in shill bidding again.

You'd think he would have got a clue by now it's not going to sell at that price!
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This is a nice car I saw for sale, it ought to make at least £2,500:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-240...53.m1438.l2649

... and a bit nicer than this one, which has started to rust in the usual places:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-240....c100010.m2109

... it will be interesting to see whether this one gets any bids over £2,500 (starting price) as a comparison.

The difference is the first car will not qualify as an historic vehicle for 5 more years, whereas the second will in two years. This might be a good test of my theory that the (nearly) historic vehicle factor is a pretty strong one and outweighs many others (like the actual condition of the car and its history).
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The Green-Blue one is in very nice condition and the bidding is already around the £2k1 point. The silver one, although scruffier has age on its side as far as becoming historic. Six years to wait for the first one, two years on the second to be historic (although both cars will be nearly 41 by that point) but i doubt the green-blue one will deteriorate to the point the silver one is in that time.

One of those that is hard to predict because of the disparity in general condition.
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The silver one's a better spec - GLE as against GL - with alloys and a sun-roof plus an O/D box and the "Coffin-nose" but it needs rustremoval from doors and wings.

But the blue one's tidier, though the auto-box isn't my cup of tea. And the blue one allegedly has A/C though there's no sign of it on the heater control panel!

On balance the blue one is the better buy, IMO.
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The Green-Blue one is in very nice condition and the bidding is already around the £2k1 point. The silver one, although scruffier has age on its side as far as becoming historic. Six years to wait for the first one, two years on the second to be historic (although both cars will be nearly 41 by that point) but i doubt the green-blue one will deteriorate to the point the silver one is in that time.

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The silver one's a better spec - GLE as against GL - with alloys and a sun-roof plus an O/D box and the "Coffin-nose" but it needs rustremoval from doors and wings.

But the blue one's tidier, though the auto-box isn't my cup of tea. And the blue one allegedly has A/C though there's no sign of it on the heater control panel!

On balance the blue one is the better buy, IMO.
I'd prefer the blue one (auto, and generally nicer) but If I was in the market and everything else (price and distance) were equal I'd go for the silver car, it being much closer to becoming an historic vehicle.

It will be interesting to see how the buying public votes with its cash between these two.

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I'd prefer the blue one (auto, and generally nicer) but If I was in the market and everything else (price and distance) were equal I'd go for the silver car, it being much closer to becoming an historic vehicle.

It will be interesting to see how the buying public votes with its cash between these two.

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The Blue-Green one is definitely the more complete car but the silver one is the more technologically advanced (without having a flock of computers to run it) and powerful. To some, that may appeal more than one that looks immaculate, we'll have to see on the hammer price of both!
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Here are a couple more non-sellers I've noticed as part of my school project. The first one failed to sell...

...The second one has appeared maybe 4 times already (on eBay), I can't remember the original asking price but the seller says he/she is making a final reduction to only £4150:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/353447641339?ul_noapp=true

... to me it just seems like another 30 year old banger with nearly 200,000 miles. The seller makes a point about the motor car having a new MoT (as at 20 Feb 21), but only 4 days earlier it failed the test with these major problems:

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17 February 2021
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Mileage 184,757 miles

Do not drive until repaired (dangerous defects):
Nearside Rear Brake pad(s) less than 1.5 mm thick (1.1.13 (a) (ii))
Repair immediately (major defects):
Offside Rear Inner Integral body structure or chassis has excessive corrosion, seriously affecting its strength within 30cm of a body mounting sill (6.2.2 (d) (i))
Nearside Rear Inner Integral body structure or chassis has excessive corrosion, seriously affecting its strength within 30cm of a body mounting (6.2.2 (d) (i))
Nearside Rear Inner Integral body structure or chassis has excessive corrosion, seriously affecting its strength within 30cm of a body mounting wheel arch (6.2.2 (d) (i))
Exhaust emits clearly visible black smoke during acceleration (8.2.1.2 (g))
Exhaust carbon monoxide content at idle exceeds default limits (8.2.1.2 (b))
Offside Front Suspension arm ball joint dust cover no longer prevents the ingress of dirt (5.3.4 (b) (ii))
Offside Front Wheel bearing has excessive play (5.1.3 (a) (i))


... so the seller would have us believe he/she got all the welding required completed and the reason for emitting black smoke on acceleration sorted in just 4 days - maybe... maybe not.

So, you may remember the the thesis for my school project was: 'many sellers of Volvo 240s think their motor cars are worth much more than they really are, however this does not apply to historic vehicles'. The estate car above supports my theory in that if it were to be a 1980 or older car is fairly good order (with a MoT and not too many problems) it would make £3,500 easily. The second car (silver saloon car) is (in my humble opinion, because I don't believe the MoT issues were addressed in 4 days) worth £1,500.

I do hope I'm not offending any forum members with my school project - it is just some idle fun, but if anyone objects I'll stop it.

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... our old friend with the broken fuel gauge has re-appeared again, this time the 'absolutely final' reduction to £4,150 has been reduced to s starting price of £1,500 and a more reasonable buy-it-now ticket of £3,500:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-c...sAAOSw5-lgUcjy

... I still think it s a £2,500 car... and that would be in line with the blue and silver cars we discussed above (I don't think this one is worth as much as either of those cars).

This car should at least get a few bids at £1,500, it will be interesting to see how close to the buy-it-now price it gets (my guess is £2,500).

It is disappointing that so many of these advertised cars keep re-appearing, which rather confirms my theory that many sellers think their cars are worth far more than they really are.

Bob walking time :-)

PS. This was my own guide to 240 prices, cut and pasted from this thread a few weeks ag, and modified a bit after that:

As a guide I'd say (from what I've seen things apparently sell for - not ridiculous asking prices):

a. Rough cars (anything with barn find in the title, cars needing welding to the sills or rear arches, MoT failures): make less than £1000.

b. Middling cars: 1981 and later cars with 100-200,000 miles, a bit of history (maybe the past decade, the stuff before that is just for interest), a long MoT and no obvious welding or repairs needed: make £1,500 to £3,000.

c. Very good cars: 1981 and later cars with less than 100,000 miles, full history, long MoT and in really good condition make £3,000 to £4,500.

d. Historic cars (1980 and older) will generally make 50-100% more than the above categories.

The above is just my observation of the market, it will not stop people hawking around rough cars for £3,000, mediocre cars for £6,000 or very good cars for silly money. I don't think they often achieve their asking prices and just spend months or years on the market until the owners give up.
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I'd prefer the blue one (auto, and generally nicer) but If I was in the market and everything else (price and distance) were equal I'd go for the silver car, it being much closer to becoming an historic vehicle.

It will be interesting to see how the buying public votes with its cash between these two.

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An update: the silver car received no bids at the opening price of £2,500 (which somewhat surprised me, I thought it was worth that much).

The blue car is storming away with the auction at £3,500 already.

... that rather proves me wrong!
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