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tdz840 · Feb 1st, 2013, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by superspod

alternatively you get a ruddspeed one, with the advantage of coming with the car itself_ http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C337588 i know the colours a bit gaudy, but its a ruddspeed 123gt.... well if anyone is selling reproductions of anything, please PM me as i will certainly get one when the funds allow it and the skandix ones arent very nice.

I'm not sure that's a Ruddspeed one. Wasn't it the 123GT that effectively killed Ken Ruddspeed lucrative Volvo tuning work?
Plus it looks crude and we could do better.
I don't want to get hopes up as I need to do this thru the back door but I will start looking into it next week.
Just wanted to say thanks to Jon for the offer to use his as a buck. Don't worry there would be no damage.
What are people's thoughts as to a reasonable cost for one of these covers?
Think we should consider some upgrades, groove in the base to carry an Oring and bin the hopeless cork gasket?
Quick release oil filler cap, bolted to the cover itself?
Thicker casting to dull the god awful tapping from my engine

Russ

jakobandhismakarov · Feb 1st, 2013, 22:20

How many different covers can we catalogue on here? Would be great to get a reference guide going. Off the top of my head I can think of.....

Ellemann-Jakobsen

Comfort

Ruddspeed (either grooved or the standard tin cover with a Rudds plate)

Skandix

iPD (pre litigation)

Nordic

Did Bertils - Motor and Alconi ever produce special rocker covers? Derek UK would probably know.

tdz840 · Feb 1st, 2013, 22:25

How about Moose Power, wouldn't upset anyone...
Apart from the engine its fitted to

123GT-AMAZON · Feb 1st, 2013, 23:09

how about

variations to suit model

123GT
p1800
Amazon
saint powered

or

viking power
rolling on
V-powered
B - Block
Red Line
swedish love
Motoring
V-sport
Volvo Classic

lukeball · Feb 1st, 2013, 23:35

Chris is right, R-Sport didn't come around to later. The early parts were labeled "Volvo Competition Service". On the B20 that I am building I opted for the Weber 38/38 DGMS carb, but I wanted a better manifold and bought the GT one. Here it is for reference:

What if we used Volvo within the title? I like "Volvo Competition Service", and there also is Speed-Man Racing.

The newer companies don't offer anything very special, so I would like to stick with an actual B18/B20 tuning company like KG Trimning.

Volvo Canadian · Feb 2nd, 2013, 00:32

A tough call. I seem to recall seeing these with a removable plate on them - yes/no? Couldn't we do that, and you can put whatever you want on there? I don't REALLY car, but Blue Dolphin is what I'd like mine to say.

tdz840 · Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:19

The plate is easy.
Buy a cast cover from one of the suppliers mill out the middle, get a company to engrave Blue Dolphin and then glue/rivet to the cover.
I like Lukeballs thoughts
Volvo competition services. It's period and unlikely that Volvo will get upset as it disappeared years ago. A letter from the VOC may provide dispensation. Wether we can get the whole name on a cover is another thing. Will mock it up today. I'm thinking a similar type face to the Elleman Jacobsen covers, simple but effective. With the larger flutes and less clunky styling of the existing ones.
Likes Lukeballs other suggestion, KG Trimning. Well respected tuning company with lots of parts. They may be interested in funding it. I'm over there in June and plan to drop by the factory. However I'm having some work done by them so will raise it as a suggestion.
How about VPerformance- nah won't get delivered
Amazon Cars? Needs Robs approval but only covers one range really
Really like Mitchs idea and the family may really like it as a memorial
Gunnar Andersson, would look really good
Look at the line just above the pic in this attachment
http://www.volvocars.com/intl/top/co...aspx?itemid=16
Volvo-Gunnar
Looks cool
Now Ruddspeed seem to be a viable entity they may be interested? Anyone have a contact?

before we get ahead of ourselves let's consider costs.
I'm worried it may still turn out stupidly expensive, above £500 is ridiculous. Below £250 a possibility. Below £100 a non starter. Price of aluminium precludes that.

Hopefully will turn out well

Russ

Burdekin · Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:31

I approached Volvo before about using Volvo on a valve cover and didn't get an answer. I would say if they are being sold they may not like the use of having Volvo on the cover.

KG, Brookhouse, Amazon Cars all may be interested in taking order for a few so may be a way to make enough to keep numbers down.

A way round using Volvo Competition Services might be to register it as a company in the UK, and have a small UK after it. So Volvo Competition Services UK.

Derek UK · Feb 2nd, 2013, 13:39

Volvo's legal department are likely to get very shirty if you include their name without permission. IPD were "requested" to remove their logo when it was combined with Volvo on their alloy covers. Just plain Volvo seems to be accepted but Volvo Competion Services, which is too long anyway, would I'm sure get the legal thumbs down. Repro'ing any of the existing designs tends to devalue the originals, so many owners of those wouldn't be happy if that happened.
Back yard pattern makers and casters might like this.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=144695

I've got an interesting one in my garage which I'll take some pics of when I'm up there next................................

123GT-AMAZON · Feb 2nd, 2013, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek UK

Volvo's legal department are likely to get very shirty if you include their name without permission. IPD were "requested" to remove their logo when it was combined with Volvo on their alloy covers. Just plain Volvo seems to be accepted but Volvo Competion Services, which is too long anyway, would I'm sure get the legal thumbs down. Repro'ing any of the existing designs tends to devalue the originals, so many owners of those wouldn't be happy if that happened.
Back yard pattern makers and casters might like this.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=144695

I've got an interesting one in my garage which I'll take some pics of when I'm up there next................................

well to me "Ellemann-jakobsen " and looks sweet as - is a long worded symbol so im sure most would fit

in that many or less chraicters

Feb 1st, 2013, 22:20	#32
jakobandhismakarov Master Member Last Online: Mar 24th, 2024 21:35 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peterborough	How many different covers can we catalogue on here? Would be great to get a reference guide going. Off the top of my head I can think of..... Ellemann-Jakobsen Comfort Ruddspeed (either grooved or the standard tin cover with a Rudds plate) Skandix iPD (pre litigation) Nordic Did Bertils - Motor and Alconi ever produce special rocker covers? Derek UK would probably know. __________________ Sinderland Road through Dunham Town - The interesting way home.

Feb 1st, 2013, 23:09	#34
123GT-AMAZON 1800necwinner Last Online: Yesterday 12:07 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: East Anglia ,Suffolk , uk	how about variations to suit model 123GT p1800 Amazon saint powered or viking power rolling on V-powered B - Block Red Line swedish love Motoring V-sport Volvo Classic __________________ I grew up on classic volvos hence my passion for them born and breed into the lifestyle !

Feb 1st, 2013, 23:35	#35
lukeball Senior Member Last Online: Jan 10th, 2024 20:21 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Columbus, OH	Chris is right, R-Sport didn't come around to later. The early parts were labeled "Volvo Competition Service". On the B20 that I am building I opted for the Weber 38/38 DGMS carb, but I wanted a better manifold and bought the GT one. Here it is for reference: What if we used Volvo within the title? I like "Volvo Competition Service", and there also is Speed-Man Racing. The newer companies don't offer anything very special, so I would like to stick with an actual B18/B20 tuning company like KG Trimning. __________________ 1959 Volvo Amazon. Chassis #17048

Feb 2nd, 2013, 00:32	#36
Volvo Canadian Bury me in my Volvo Last Online: Oct 18th, 2017 23:16 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Calgary (again!)	A tough call. I seem to recall seeing these with a removable plate on them - yes/no? Couldn't we do that, and you can put whatever you want on there? I don't REALLY car, but Blue Dolphin is what I'd like mine to say. __________________ James

Feb 1st, 2013, 22:25	#33
tdz840 VOC Member Last Online: Dec 14th, 2023 11:57 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: fareham	How about Moose Power, wouldn't upset anyone... Apart from the engine its fitted to

Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:19	#37
tdz840 VOC Member Last Online: Dec 14th, 2023 11:57 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: fareham	The plate is easy. Buy a cast cover from one of the suppliers mill out the middle, get a company to engrave Blue Dolphin and then glue/rivet to the cover. I like Lukeballs thoughts Volvo competition services. It's period and unlikely that Volvo will get upset as it disappeared years ago. A letter from the VOC may provide dispensation. Wether we can get the whole name on a cover is another thing. Will mock it up today. I'm thinking a similar type face to the Elleman Jacobsen covers, simple but effective. With the larger flutes and less clunky styling of the existing ones. Likes Lukeballs other suggestion, KG Trimning. Well respected tuning company with lots of parts. They may be interested in funding it. I'm over there in June and plan to drop by the factory. However I'm having some work done by them so will raise it as a suggestion. How about VPerformance- nah won't get delivered Amazon Cars? Needs Robs approval but only covers one range really Really like Mitchs idea and the family may really like it as a memorial Gunnar Andersson, would look really good Look at the line just above the pic in this attachment http://www.volvocars.com/intl/top/co...aspx?itemid=16 Volvo-Gunnar Looks cool Now Ruddspeed seem to be a viable entity they may be interested? Anyone have a contact? before we get ahead of ourselves let's consider costs. I'm worried it may still turn out stupidly expensive, above £500 is ridiculous. Below £250 a possibility. Below £100 a non starter. Price of aluminium precludes that. Hopefully will turn out well Russ

Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:31	#38
Burdekin Chief Bodger Last Online: Yesterday 18:30 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Aberdeen	I approached Volvo before about using Volvo on a valve cover and didn't get an answer. I would say if they are being sold they may not like the use of having Volvo on the cover. KG, Brookhouse, Amazon Cars all may be interested in taking order for a few so may be a way to make enough to keep numbers down. A way round using Volvo Competition Services might be to register it as a company in the UK, and have a small UK after it. So Volvo Competition Services UK.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 13:39	#39
Derek UK VOC Member Last Online: Today 13:07 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chatham	Volvo's legal department are likely to get very shirty if you include their name without permission. IPD were "requested" to remove their logo when it was combined with Volvo on their alloy covers. Just plain Volvo seems to be accepted but Volvo Competion Services, which is too long anyway, would I'm sure get the legal thumbs down. Repro'ing any of the existing designs tends to devalue the originals, so many owners of those wouldn't be happy if that happened. Back yard pattern makers and casters might like this. http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=144695 I've got an interesting one in my garage which I'll take some pics of when I'm up there next................................

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