D5 (D5244T to 2005) 0252 D5 Injectors, Starting Problem What volvo contribution?

[Laney760]

Have only just read this thread

Thames Valley Electro Diesel, diesel specialists, in Reading, Berks have recently told me that they charge about a tenner each to recon the injectors in older diesels and about a hundred quid each to recon the injectors in the modern common rail engines (D5). If anyone needs their injectors looking at and is local to them it might be worth giving them a call, they can be found on the net when googled

[palwing]

Originally Posted by palwing

52 plate V70 D5 auto - 99500 miles..cold start problem this AM for the first time. After about 3 mins of cranking, it started. Outside air temp around 7'C after a chilly night. Heater coil light worked as normal.

Volvo dealer quoted £250/injector plus labour.

So, taken the car to a local Volvo specialist. No fault codes showing, mechanics reckon it's an injector problem. They have quoted me £30/injector to have them checked + 1 hour labour (£52 +vat) to get them out and in. They can get any faulty injectors refurbished for £125 each with 1 yr guarantee. That sounds cheaper than Volvo!

Car is at the garage now. Should know more in the next few days. Will keep you posted.

If this works, I will give people the garage details for those that are interested. They have done work for me before and are very good. Garage is in Norfolk.

Ok...here's a quick update. The garage phoned me today and said they confirmed the "bad starting" the next morning. So, out came all 5 injectors and off to their local "specialist" for testing. Anyway, out of the 5, he has found two unserviceable. So, had a chat with the garage and they have agreed with me for ALL 5 to be refurbished, as it's likely the others will go wrong soon too. As I am having all 5 done, I have managed to negotiate a small discount which is a help as this is not a cheap job. However, the final negotiated price is half Volvo's price and I am getting a 1 year warranty on the job too.

As mentioned before, if anyone wants the Norfolk garage details, please contact me. All work done by them so far has been to a high standard. They also provide a courtesy car for £10/day if you have to travel to get there.

I will update again when I get my car back in a couple of days time.

[SuffolkV70]

Hi all,

I have a 53 plate V70 and have had exactly the same problems with my engine. The starting became progressively worse during the summer (we had it checked by Volvo dealer and nothing apparently wrong, but they found things to do for which they charged us £200!) until the day we were to drive to the airport (typically) and the car wouldn't start at all. We dropped the keys in at the garage on the way through and told them to collect it, fix it and deliver it back (we were a little annoyed!).
Got a call a few days later to say that the injectors had gone and to replace with Volvo parts would be £1500 and with others £1300. I asked if Volvo would contribute and they said no.
Naturally I paid up and contacted Volvo myself who replied as follows:

Here at Volvo Customer Relations we take into different factors such as age and mileage when making a goodwill contribution on this occasion the age and mileage will effect our decision. We do put a 3 years/60,000 miles warranty in place in case any of our components should fail prematurely however once this has expired, we will look at a goodwill gesture.

However on this occasion we will be offering 0% towards the cost of this repair.

I am sorry I can be of no further assistance on this occasion.

Slightly unimpressed as you might imagine.....

Very concerned about buying another D5 (which we love...) - my question is whether there have been any reports of newer D5 engines doing the same thing? WE would be looking at a 06 plate probably as a replacement...

Any help or advice very welcome.

[palwing]

Originally Posted by SuffolkV70

Hi all,

I have a 53 plate V70 and have had exactly the same problems with my engine. The starting became progressively worse during the summer (we had it checked by Volvo dealer and nothing apparently wrong, but they found things to do for which they charged us £200!) until the day we were to drive to the airport (typically) and the car wouldn't start at all. We dropped the keys in at the garage on the way through and told them to collect it, fix it and deliver it back (we were a little annoyed!).
Got a call a few days later to say that the injectors had gone and to replace with Volvo parts would be £1500 and with others £1300. I asked if Volvo would contribute and they said no.
Naturally I paid up and contacted Volvo myself who replied as follows:

Here at Volvo Customer Relations we take into different factors such as age and mileage when making a goodwill contribution on this occasion the age and mileage will effect our decision. We do put a 3 years/60,000 miles warranty in place in case any of our components should fail prematurely however once this has expired, we will look at a goodwill gesture.

However on this occasion we will be offering 0% towards the cost of this repair.

I am sorry I can be of no further assistance on this occasion.
Slightly unimpressed as you might imagine.....

Very concerned about buying another D5 (which we love...) - my question is whether there have been any reports of newer D5 engines doing the same thing? WE would be looking at a 06 plate probably as a replacement...

Any help or advice very welcome.

Hi SuffolkV70

You are just down the road from us. The Volvo specialist I take my car to is in Attleborough and are extermely helpful. If you give them a call and ask to speak to Mark, I am sure he will answer your questions ref later models, etc. By the way, I have no connections to the garage other than as a customer.

I think it's mainly 02/03 cars that seem to be "injector" affected. But once the job is done, the car should be good (injector wise) for a blinkin long time. As you say, they are a superb car and it would be a shame to change just cos a few doubts. I have done over 35,000 miles during the last year, so expect a few problems. Luckily they have been done under warranty (intercooler radiator, headlight wiper motor) but unfortunately, the injectors have gone Kaput 3 months too late. However, my cost is half what Volvo wanted, so not too disappointed.

I have recently fitted a Garmin 760 Sat Nav too with the Volvo mount. Now have my phone hands free through the car audio system plus it plays MP3 music via the car system too! On top of that I have also fitted a iO Play hands free kit, which means I can now integrate TWO mobile phones into the cars sytem PLUS my iPod via Bluetooth. All without any wires showing! Very pleased with the result. So will be keeping the car for the foreseeable future.

Touch wood!

Most comfortable car ever! Also getting around 42mpg from my automatic (and I don't hang around), which for the class of car is pretty impressive.

[palwing]

Hi..all done and dusted. Picked my car up yesterday afternoon and paid the bill. Car feels a lot smoother and seems to accelerate more quickly. However, this could be due to a "placebo" effect as I was loaned a 1.8 S40 for the time my V70 was off the road. Reasonable car, but not in the same class.

My "new" car started first turn this AM with overnight temps sub 10'C. Hot starts are as good as always.

I will now monitor fuel consumption and see if anything has changed. Will follow up with thoughts in a few weeks time.

Suffolk, I asked about later model V70's and D5 injectors. The guy reckons that they are not affected and should not be a problem as Volvo had sorted it all by then. So, looks like 02/03 models only.

Hope this helps someone in the future. My overall thoughts are that if I knew when I bought the car what I know now, I still would have bought it as it was the right price at the time. Also, it's a bloody good car with a superb engine. Now have only 150 miles to the big 100,000! I reckon with TLC it should be good for another 100k. Damn..that's tempting fate, huh?

Next car, a nice post 02/03 XC90 D5 auto?

[palwing]

Car is running sweet since the injector (x5) refurbishment and starts 1st turn even at sub zero temps. However, before the Injector problem, the computer was showing over 42mpg, but now it's showing 37.5mpg. Same sort of journeys.

Recently, I reset the computer before a long motorway run from Cornwall to Norfolk and filled the tank up to the brim. The computer showed 43.3mpg on arrival in Norfolk and I was cruising at err..cough...motorway speeds all the way. Exeter to Norwich via M5/M4/M25/M11/A11 in under 5 hrs..and I mean well under. The fuel guage was at 1/2 tank after 340 miles and the light came on after 540 miles.

However, since then the MPG shows 37.5mpg now with mixed Norfolk driving.

The car has just been serviced and they can't find any probs on the diagnostics but have replaced the fuel filter and checked the brakes, etc. New tyres have just been fitted and running at 36psi (225/45/17) Feels a little hard but I have a full boot area most of the time.

I am putting the increased fuel consumption down to the near freezing temps at the moment.

[freshslo]

HI !

I have next problem.... On one injector i have casing worn out and they cause loud click noise other parts of this injector is in good shape

I buy over ebay new injector but they have different grade (Nr:1) than my original injector (Nr:2).

Now I have question: If I transfer everything whats inside of injector from original (nr2) to new one (nr1) and then install into the engine. Will they work without reprograming ecu ?

[Bernard333]

I believe it wont work even if the internal dimensions look ok the old needle will have some wear which wont match the new case and everything you read about injectors says the internal tolerances are very critical so I would discourage you from doing it but if you do decide to go ahead I would be very interested in the outcome so please tell us what happens , have you already taken one of these apart ? If you have could you post some close up photos of the parts .

[Clan]

once you dismantle an injector it will loose any grading it had and it will never go back the same, there are tiny parts in the top which can spring out and get lost resulting in a new injector needed ... If you fit the Grade 1 one you have and it works ok i would leave it like that !

[freshslo]

Originally Posted by Clan

once you dismantle an injector it will loose any grading it had and it will never go back the same, there are tiny parts in the top which can spring out and get lost resulting in a new injector needed ... If you fit the Grade 1 one you have and it works ok i would leave it like that !

<deleted by moderator> I dismount grade 2 and clean it and measurement and then mount back and work great.