Ford vs Volvo quality

[EssexExile]

Originally Posted by Welton

Ford are THE masters at penny-pinching, if they can save 64p on the build then they will go for it.

Volvo are removing the parking ticket holder from new cars!

[T5R92011]

I remember the feeling of disappointment when I attempted to tighten the throttle cable on my old V6 Ford Cougar, only to find there was no adjuster mechanism.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Over the years I've probably made myself unpopular with a few fellow members as I've often commented on the quality issues that impacted some Volvo's during Ford ownership.

If you service a P1 XC90 and a XC60 back to back - as soon as you start you realise the FoMoCo based vehicle has self tapping screws into plastic plugs holding the engine undertray in place rather than the M8 bolts into captive nuts on the XC90...... I usually get berrated by someone whose still driving their dads B-reg Sierra and never had a problem...

Anyway I've just changed my pickup for a 12-plate Ford Ranger, the new shape one that's actually a Ford not a Mazda and I've joined the appropriate Forums.

F*** me what a crock of sh*t.

Piston failures between 40k and 100k not uncommon. Oil pump failures at any time - quite common - usually resulting in engine destruction. Ford know about the problem as they recalled all 2012 transits with the same engine but not the Ranger. EGR valves failing and draining the coolant down the exhaust, as the temp sensor is in the plastic thermostat housing sudden loss of coolant doesn't always register so - engine destruction.

This is the 2.2 engine that was in the Jag X-Type, Current XF & XE, Transit, Freeloader 2 etc. And it's cheaply made - the font timing cover is a steel plate pressing for cheapness and needs to be fitted with a centralisation tool, it's not a casting.

We moan about alternator pulley clutches not making it past 150k on D5's or Swirl flap arms coming off.... a worrying proportion of them don't make it to 100k on the factory engine. The only plus side is as they are made from cheese the bits to totally rebuild one cost less than £500.

Etc. etc.

It's rare that I regret being a lazy sod at school but I know now if I'd have worked harder I might have been able to afford a Hilux or a D-Max. Sorry for the rant but it makes me feel better (which is selfish I know).

you should see what the MK 5 mondeo is like its shocking what kind of faults they get on the 2.0 diesel engine i could list around 10 . also the other components in the car such as steering lock , suspension mounts steering rack wheel bearings , fuel pumps injectors etc etc

It is the same engine as used in some of the volvos however when volvo dropped them Ford/Citroen made some major modifications to it such as plastic sump and a weird complicated drop gear to lower the fuel pump to clear the bonnet that leaks like a sieve , and a revamped EGR system which sticks and rusts up and plastic electric coolant thermostat which cracks and rocker arms and valve springs made from chocolate so crack .

parts aren't cheap either a set of tail light for the MK5 modeo is £1400 .

[Clan]

Originally Posted by EssexExile

Volvo are removing the parking ticket holder from new cars!

after 38 years !

[Rustyfrog]

Originally Posted by Clan

after 38 years !

I have not used mine yet!

[andrewpain]

Originally Posted by T5R92011

I remember the feeling of disappointment when I attempted to tighten the throttle cable on my old V6 Ford Cougar, only to find there was no adjuster mechanism.

I'm disappointed that a few things of mine could do with tightening, but adjustment is only possible using pharmacological products. Things are definitely not what they used to be. Or where they used to be either.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by EssexExile

Volvo are removing the parking ticket holder from new cars!

And CD players.... for the same reason.... nearly obsolete....

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Sotosound

If we’re talking diesels, the 2.2 in the X-Type is a Ford “Puma” engine that appeared in the Mark 3 Mondeo and that had all sorts of reliability issues. This is an engine to avoid and I feel your anger, BUT is it still used by Ford for new vehicles?

For instance.....

The 2.2 diesel that was used in the XF was a different and far more reliable Ford/PSA engine that was also used in the Mark 4 Mondeo in 2.0 and 2.2 capacities. The 2.0 version was also installed in some early P3 V70s.

The current XE and XF use Jaguar Land Rover engines that have nothing to do with Ford.

I may stand corrected but I based the XF/XE 2.2 on the timing cover centralisation tool being sold as for those vehicles.

The engine in the Ranger is the Puma engine and also found it's way into the Land Rover Defender... I bet late model low mileage TD5's command a fortune.

The XF has been around over 10 years now.

[reggit]

Drive a 66 plate transit custom with the euro 6 2l engine for work.
That’s been a complete crock, it randomly kept overheating then dropping quickly back to normal temperature, needed a new engine at 45k, in last week of warranty. Had a failed injector, just had to have DPF (Is that what it’s called when it uses ad blu?) replaced at 51000, it’s mainly used on motorways, so no reason for that to get blocked.
On the plus side, there hasn’t been a warning light lit for the last 300 miles.

I’ll not be buying a ford myself, glad it’s not me picking the tab up for the repairs!

[Tannaton]

Groan.... think I'll sort this one out and then look for a Hilux or a D-Max.

Just logged on to the Ranger forum today and 2 more cars for sale as spares/repairs with cracked pistons.