Plug-in Hybrid Mileage

javicat · Feb 10th, 2018, 17:09

Hi To all:
I have been wondering about mileage in an PHEV (V60). I am considering buying an used one. It has 90K kilometers... My question is: are those KM equivalent to a normal combustion engine car? I am wondering because the combustion engine did not do all these KM since part of them were done on electric engine... Any one can tell me how to determine the equivalence?
Thank you!

green van man · Feb 11th, 2018, 08:10

When I looked at buying a v60 hybrid what put me off was the life of the battery was estimated at 8 years and replacement cost £8000.
As you are looking at a secondhand buy I would suggest you check carefully the condition and cost of the battery.

If I remember correctly the overall fuel consumption was advertised at something like 90 mpg equivelent. But this was pre the fiddling vw scandal, wether that figure is still claimed I don't know. Running on diesel I suspect the figure would be down from a pure diesel car due to the weight of the battery.

While I find hybrids attractive as a concept I feel they have a way to go before they meet my needs.

Paul.

steadvex · Feb 11th, 2018, 09:22

Most people who dismiss these haven't tried, as for batteries, the volvo pack is quite an impressive design, considering the Nissan leaf has cars from 2011 that have only lost one capacity bar and some no battery loss the batteries are exceeding expectation, UK climate is quite good for ev battery life and the volvo pack is much better is designed than better than the Nissan one, although I've read about a few warranty claims on the T8 but never the D6, assuming because the v60 hybrids are built in Sweden,the T8 is from china.

You have an 8 year warranty/100k on the battery so you would have bit left if it needs sorting, if it goes after warranty yes its expensive but I've never found out about one failing in a V60 after warranty ... Although obviously as with all used cars it's a risk! I'm sure others here more experienced will know better, so far we only have one D6 customer...

steadvex · Feb 11th, 2018, 09:27

Sorry went a bit off topic!

It's normal d5, mileage shouldn't be an issue, also what i said related to miles not km!

Downside on these, tensioners and belts every 2 years due to additional strain running a generator, otherwise servicing is the sane as a normal d5

We have customer with one with over 100,000 miles on it and no issues, sadly i don't think you can tell the electric /diesel mileage

Its one of those risks, if you try one and love it, its an expensive car that you enjoy imo or buy for its green credentials, not one you buy to save money

javicat · Feb 11th, 2018, 13:50

Thank you for your comments: I don't think I explained my self clearly... I will try again:

My question was more in line to compare mileage in the clock... you know, one of the things one should look when buying a used car is the amount of miles it has. So the more mileage, the less value a car has. Now I think that when comparing a PHEV, the real mileage in the combustion engine of the PHEV car would be lower than what it said in the clock, right (Because some miles are done on pure electric). I think Green Van Man "kind of" clear some other question I also had about the maintenance. In a regular car the drive belt and water pump should be replaced at around 60K miles so if in a PHEV this could be held longer (say 100K miles) this could be an indication of what is the relative mileage comparative?
Again thank you for your comments

javicat · Feb 11th, 2018, 13:53

Oh! and about saving money... I live in Madrid and the local government does give a lot of incentives to what they consider Zero emission cars... and they consider this V60 D6 a zero emissions car
Cheers!

Clan · Feb 11th, 2018, 14:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by javicat

Oh! and about saving money... I live in Madrid and the local government does give a lot of incentives to what they consider Zero emission cars... and they consider this V60 D6 a zero emissions car
Cheers!

It is NOT a zero emission car though ...

Clan · Feb 11th, 2018, 14:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by javicat

Thank you for your comments: I don't think I explained my self clearly... I will try again:

My question was more in line to compare mileage in the clock... you know, one of the things one should look when buying a used car is the amount of miles it has. So the more mileage, the less value a car has. Now I think that when comparing a PHEV, the real mileage in the combustion engine of the PHEV car would be lower than what it said in the clock, right (Because some miles are done on pure electric). I think Green Van Man "kind of" clear some other question I also had about the maintenance. In a regular car the drive belt and water pump should be replaced at around 60K miles so if in a PHEV this could be held longer (say 100K miles) this could be an indication of what is the relative mileage comparative?
Again thank you for your comments

You have to service it as usual , yes the engine will be off for some of those miles but you should not consider this .
Regarding the battery , it's performance goes of slowly , you get less and less miles per charge as the years go by .. By the time your battery fails there will be many companies reconditioning them . Including Volvo .

MPG can be what you make it . You have to drive these cars in a different way , to make most use of inertia and hills as you can to conserve and generate electricity , plug in as often as you can . I have seen two of these with average fuel consumption of 130+ mpg showing on the gauge , some others in town are the usual 35 or 40 mpg where the car is used for motorway runs and the battery is depleted and there is no regenerative charging .

Hopefully don't pay more than £22000 - £ 25000 for one

Fisnik · Feb 13th, 2018, 00:00

Hi. That's a big coincidence.

I've just bought a used one a couple of days ago. Around 75k miles on the clock. So far so good and I'm in love with it. I like how it moves of quietly and you glide around but press a button and put the foot down and it rumbles loudly and it shoots off... It's nice and quick too when you feel like it.

About the mileage I don't think you can tell much whether they were electric or from the engine as such. You just need to make the best guess through finding out about the last owner whether they done a lot of motorway driving or not and whether they plugged in a lot or not, I guess.

I'm keen to learn more about it as it seems to be a complex car and want to make sure the maintenance side of things is spot on. Does anyone have a Volvo PHEV specialist garage/dealer to recommend around London?
Also seems to have loads of toys to play with in the cab, a bit overwhelming. Is there a Volvo plug in forum out there? If not it would be nice to have a hybrid section to this forum I think.

Grimble · Feb 13th, 2018, 15:51

It just occurred to me about something the last poster said.

If you are running about on electricity, presumably the engine is 'cold'. Put your foot down and it kicks in, on full power, from cold. Not something anybody would recommend.

So does a hybrid engine suffer from excessive wear due to a relatively high number of full power 'cold starts'?

Feb 10th, 2018, 17:09	#1
javicat New Member Last Online: Feb 24th, 2020 09:33 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Madrid	Plug-in Hybrid Mileage Hi To all: I have been wondering about mileage in an PHEV (V60). I am considering buying an used one. It has 90K kilometers... My question is: are those KM equivalent to a normal combustion engine car? I am wondering because the combustion engine did not do all these KM since part of them were done on electric engine... Any one can tell me how to determine the equivalence? Thank you!

Feb 11th, 2018, 09:22	#3
steadvex Master Member Last Online: Jul 30th, 2023 19:01 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: cardiff View Photos By: steadvex	Most people who dismiss these haven't tried, as for batteries, the volvo pack is quite an impressive design, considering the Nissan leaf has cars from 2011 that have only lost one capacity bar and some no battery loss the batteries are exceeding expectation, UK climate is quite good for ev battery life and the volvo pack is much better is designed than better than the Nissan one, although I've read about a few warranty claims on the T8 but never the D6, assuming because the v60 hybrids are built in Sweden,the T8 is from china. You have an 8 year warranty/100k on the battery so you would have bit left if it needs sorting, if it goes after warranty yes its expensive but I've never found out about one failing in a V60 after warranty ... Although obviously as with all used cars it's a risk! I'm sure others here more experienced will know better, so far we only have one D6 customer... Last edited by steadvex; Feb 11th, 2018 at 09:38.

Feb 11th, 2018, 09:27	#4
steadvex Master Member Last Online: Jul 30th, 2023 19:01 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: cardiff View Photos By: steadvex	Sorry went a bit off topic! It's normal d5, mileage shouldn't be an issue, also what i said related to miles not km! Downside on these, tensioners and belts every 2 years due to additional strain running a generator, otherwise servicing is the sane as a normal d5 We have customer with one with over 100,000 miles on it and no issues, sadly i don't think you can tell the electric /diesel mileage Its one of those risks, if you try one and love it, its an expensive car that you enjoy imo or buy for its green credentials, not one you buy to save money Last edited by steadvex; Feb 11th, 2018 at 09:41.

Feb 13th, 2018, 15:51	#10
Grimble Grimble Last Online: Feb 4th, 2019 17:54 Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Staffordshire	It just occurred to me about something the last poster said. If you are running about on electricity, presumably the engine is 'cold'. Put your foot down and it kicks in, on full power, from cold. Not something anybody would recommend. So does a hybrid engine suffer from excessive wear due to a relatively high number of full power 'cold starts'? __________________ 2012 XC60 D4 SE Lux Nav

Feb 11th, 2018, 08:10	#2
green van man Premier Member Last Online: Apr 11th, 2024 09:21 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Ffos y Ffin	When I looked at buying a v60 hybrid what put me off was the life of the battery was estimated at 8 years and replacement cost £8000. As you are looking at a secondhand buy I would suggest you check carefully the condition and cost of the battery. If I remember correctly the overall fuel consumption was advertised at something like 90 mpg equivelent. But this was pre the fiddling vw scandal, wether that figure is still claimed I don't know. Running on diesel I suspect the figure would be down from a pure diesel car due to the weight of the battery. While I find hybrids attractive as a concept I feel they have a way to go before they meet my needs. Paul.

Feb 11th, 2018, 13:50	#5
javicat New Member Last Online: Feb 24th, 2020 09:33 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Madrid	Thank you for your comments: I don't think I explained my self clearly... I will try again: My question was more in line to compare mileage in the clock... you know, one of the things one should look when buying a used car is the amount of miles it has. So the more mileage, the less value a car has. Now I think that when comparing a PHEV, the real mileage in the combustion engine of the PHEV car would be lower than what it said in the clock, right (Because some miles are done on pure electric). I think Green Van Man "kind of" clear some other question I also had about the maintenance. In a regular car the drive belt and water pump should be replaced at around 60K miles so if in a PHEV this could be held longer (say 100K miles) this could be an indication of what is the relative mileage comparative? Again thank you for your comments

Feb 11th, 2018, 13:53	#6
javicat New Member Last Online: Feb 24th, 2020 09:33 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Madrid	Oh! and about saving money... I live in Madrid and the local government does give a lot of incentives to what they consider Zero emission cars... and they consider this V60 D6 a zero emissions car Cheers!

Feb 13th, 2018, 00:00	#9
Fisnik New Member Last Online: Aug 27th, 2022 23:05 Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Ealing	Hi. That's a big coincidence. I've just bought a used one a couple of days ago. Around 75k miles on the clock. So far so good and I'm in love with it. I like how it moves of quietly and you glide around but press a button and put the foot down and it rumbles loudly and it shoots off... It's nice and quick too when you feel like it. About the mileage I don't think you can tell much whether they were electric or from the engine as such. You just need to make the best guess through finding out about the last owner whether they done a lot of motorway driving or not and whether they plugged in a lot or not, I guess. I'm keen to learn more about it as it seems to be a complex car and want to make sure the maintenance side of things is spot on. Does anyone have a Volvo PHEV specialist garage/dealer to recommend around London? Also seems to have loads of toys to play with in the cab, a bit overwhelming. Is there a Volvo plug in forum out there? If not it would be nice to have a hybrid section to this forum I think.

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