Ford vs Volvo quality

[Tannaton]

Over the years I've probably made myself unpopular with a few fellow members as I've often commented on the quality issues that impacted some Volvo's during Ford ownership.

If you service a P1 XC90 and a XC60 back to back - as soon as you start you realise the FoMoCo based vehicle has self tapping screws into plastic plugs holding the engine undertray in place rather than the M8 bolts into captive nuts on the XC90...... I usually get berrated by someone whose still driving their dads B-reg Sierra and never had a problem...

Anyway I've just changed my pickup for a 12-plate Ford Ranger, the new shape one that's actually a Ford not a Mazda and I've joined the appropriate Forums.

F*** me what a crock of sh*t.

Piston failures between 40k and 100k not uncommon. Oil pump failures at any time - quite common - usually resulting in engine destruction. Ford know about the problem as they recalled all 2012 transits with the same engine but not the Ranger. EGR valves failing and draining the coolant down the exhaust, as the temp sensor is in the plastic thermostat housing sudden loss of coolant doesn't always register so - engine destruction.

This is the 2.2 engine that was in the Jag X-Type, Current XF & XE, Transit, Freeloader 2 etc. And it's cheaply made - the font timing cover is a steel plate pressing for cheapness and needs to be fitted with a centralisation tool, it's not a casting.

We moan about alternator pulley clutches not making it past 150k on D5's or Swirl flap arms coming off.... a worrying proportion of them don't make it to 100k on the factory engine. The only plus side is as they are made from cheese the bits to totally rebuild one cost less than £500.

Etc. etc.

It's rare that I regret being a lazy sod at school but I know now if I'd have worked harder I might have been able to afford a Hilux or a D-Max. Sorry for the rant but it makes me feel better (which is selfish I know).

[EssexExile]

They've gone downhill since my '65 Corsair then?

[Rustyfrog]

Originally Posted by EssexExile

They've gone downhill since my '65 Corsair then?

I remember them!
My boss at the time, had a Corsair with I think a V4 engine. I have worked out it would have been around '67 or '68.
I remember as it was the first car I reached 100mph in!
My boss trusted me to drive it now and again.
Silly man!

[Dancake]

Ford = Fix Or Repair Daily. I serviced a Ford Focus yesterday and had to drill the airbox screws out because they literally fell apart due to rust. It's a shame because Ford certainly have the ability to make decent vehicles, but they choose not to. There are lots of reports already about 2019 and 2020 models rusting to bits both cosmetically and structurally. The new Ford Ranger is also getting ripped to bits by owners because of its bad build quality. Misaligned rear axles seem to be very common on the newer vehicles despite Ford being aware of the problem with earlier models. They make the same mistakes again and again yet they are somehow still in business.

[T5R92011]

Some guy over on Piston Heads posted that a tuning company who tuned his Focus ST (with the Volvo 2.5T engine) said the engine was one of the best designed engines they had ever worked on.

All I can say is that my 152,000 mile S40 T5 sounds brand new when you start it up, as did my previous 145,000 mile S60 2.0T

And my 430,000 Mile V70 D5 could do with a new injector, and the engine mounts have worn causing cabin vibration, but if I fix those it feels like it'll be on the road for another 10 years.

[rangerovering]

Always felt most cars now feel good/decent when new, its when you come back at 50k, 100k, 150k miles when the difference starts to show between quality and penny pinching.

[Welton]

Ford are THE masters at penny-pinching, if they can save 64p on the build then they will go for it. Every problem I've had with my S40 has been because of the Ford suspension components. TBF all the Ford wiring etc has been good.

It was a shame when all new 4-cyl Focus ST's head gaskets failed but I guess they sorted it out and it probably won't affect their reputation at all.

My Father has ran Fords for over 30 years and never had any issues whatsoever....but then he runs them from 0 to 30K miles so no surprise really. I've tried explaining that the massive depreciation hit he takes would likely mean it would be more economical to run a BMW/Merc but he won't do that.

I think it's high-mile Fords that'll be the worst but no-one cares about that they just want us to buy a new one with all that lovely spare cash we have lying around

[Sotosound]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

Over the years I've probably made myself unpopular with a few fellow members as I've often commented on the quality issues that impacted some Volvo's during Ford ownership.

If you service a P1 XC90 and a XC60 back to back - as soon as you start you realise the FoMoCo based vehicle has self tapping screws into plastic plugs holding the engine undertray in place rather than the M8 bolts into captive nuts on the XC90...... I usually get berrated by someone whose still driving their dads B-reg Sierra and never had a problem...

Anyway I've just changed my pickup for a 12-plate Ford Ranger, the new shape one that's actually a Ford not a Mazda and I've joined the appropriate Forums.

F*** me what a crock of sh*t.

Piston failures between 40k and 100k not uncommon. Oil pump failures at any time - quite common - usually resulting in engine destruction. Ford know about the problem as they recalled all 2012 transits with the same engine but not the Ranger. EGR valves failing and draining the coolant down the exhaust, as the temp sensor is in the plastic thermostat housing sudden loss of coolant doesn't always register so - engine destruction.

This is the 2.2 engine that was in the Jag X-Type, Current XF & XE, Transit, Freeloader 2 etc. And it's cheaply made - the font timing cover is a steel plate pressing for cheapness and needs to be fitted with a centralisation tool, it's not a casting.

We moan about alternator pulley clutches not making it past 150k on D5's or Swirl flap arms coming off.... a worrying proportion of them don't make it to 100k on the factory engine. The only plus side is as they are made from cheese the bits to totally rebuild one cost less than £500.

Etc. etc.

It's rare that I regret being a lazy sod at school but I know now if I'd have worked harder I might have been able to afford a Hilux or a D-Max. Sorry for the rant but it makes me feel better (which is selfish I know).

If we’re talking diesels, the 2.2 in the X-Type is a Ford “Puma” engine that appeared in the Mark 3 Mondeo and that had all sorts of reliability issues. This is an engine to avoid and I feel your anger, BUT is it still used by Ford for new vehicles?

For instance.....

The 2.2 diesel that was used in the XF was a different and far more reliable Ford/PSA engine that was also used in the Mark 4 Mondeo in 2.0 and 2.2 capacities. The 2.0 version was also installed in some early P3 V70s.

The current XE and XF use Jaguar Land Rover engines that have nothing to do with Ford.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Sotosound

If we’re talking diesels, the 2.2 in the X-Type is a Ford “Puma” engine that appeared in the Mark 3 Mondeo and that had all sorts of reliability issues. This is an engine to avoid and I feel your anger, BUT is it still used by Ford for new vehicles?

For instance.....

The 2.2 diesel that was used in the XF was a different and far more reliable Ford/PSA engine that was also used in the Mark 4 Mondeo in 2.0 and 2.2 capacities. The 2.0 version was also installed in some early P3 V70s.

The current XE and XF use Jaguar Land Rover engines that have nothing to do with Ford.

I may stand corrected but I based the XF/XE 2.2 on the timing cover centralisation tool being sold as for those vehicles.

The engine in the Ranger is the Puma engine and also found it's way into the Land Rover Defender... I bet late model low mileage TD5's command a fortune.

The XF has been around over 10 years now.

[mike r owen]

Ford bought Volvo for one reason, the superior technology that Volvo has always prided itself on. Ford being Ford stopped making a lot of parts for the older Volvos. They are notorious for making cars that just about get to the end of Guarantee and then when you go in to any dealership the day after they will not try to please you.
I have had 6 Volvos over the years, my present 940 2.3 turbo for 23 years. It has now got 306000 miles on the clock and is still going strong With the occasional hick-up. I have it serviced at a non franchised garage where the Mechanics are of the old school and they love working on it because when they lift the bonnet, they can see where everything is without having to spend an hour taking all the bits out before they can get to see the part.