|
S40 / V40 '96-'04 General Forum for the Volvo S40 and V40 (Classic) Series from 1995-2004. |
Information |
|
power steering fluid again! red/green 30741424Views : 3738 Replies : 10Users Viewing This Thread : |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
Jul 21st, 2019, 17:25 | #1 |
Square
Last Online: Apr 15th, 2023 22:44
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: North
|
power steering fluid again! red/green 30741424
Hi All
I have searched the thread up and down before this post. I have a v40 1.9d 2003 (phase 2) and want to top up the power steering fluid. I checked vida and the forum and ordered genuine volvo part 30741424 which is green and states on the back of the bottle “mineral oil, solvent refined 60-100%. The colour of existing oil is clear to red/brown (not dirty). The book states “ATF oil….or Pentosin CHF 11 S if mainly use in temps below 0 deg C.” Previous posts state: - “After 2000- they used ATF which is red or Pentosin CHF 11 S which is green but phased out the red later on.” - “ATF = automatic transmission fluid” - “CHF = central hydraulic fluid” - Pentosin CHF 11 S is synthetic - “ATF is mineral” - “ATF is red and green is Pentosin which is the alternative.” - 30741424 is mineral and not Pentosin CHF 11 S (both are green)? - Also http://www.skandix.de/en/spare-parts...l-1-l/1015964/ says Volvo recommends the green oil (Skandix 1015964) for all hydraulic power steering systems. But we recommend to avoid mixing oil types at older vehicles (RWD Volvos and Volvo 850) which have red oil in the system. Replacing the whole red oil in the system with green oils is not recommended. Skandix 1060027 is an ATF-Oil which matches the old specification. In fact Skandix 1060027 can be used to replace or top up the old red oil. - “I had exactly the same problem as you. I also have a Volvo s40 03 model, after doing a great deal of research I found that Volvo changed from red to green around about the release of our Volvo s40 03 models. Many mechanics and garages also seem to be unsure some will have green ATF while others will have red PSF. Mine has red so I just stick with red Universal PSF. One important factor is not to mix red and green together.” - “Despite what you have been told red dextron 3 ATF is completely interchangeable with Pentosin CHF11. Volvo state this in Vida and Porche have a service bulletin which says the same. CHF11 is just a synthetic hydraulic oil that has a greater low temperature range than dextron but basically is exactly the same stuff. When Volvo changed to Pentosin CF11 in 1999 (V70) they did not change the specs of any seals in the rack, pipework or pump and the V40 range continued with Dextron untill 2004. I know some have had seals go but I suspect this was just coincidence or another unrelated problem, I have been topping up the Pentosin CF11 with Dextron 3 for the past 7 years in my 2000 V70R with no problem at all. If I remember correctly, Clan who is a Volvo master mechanic has also stated that both fluids are compatible. However there are 2 downsides to mixing:- 1 You lose the low temperature advantage of Pentosin. 2 The mixing of green and red makes a less attractive brown colour. John” I think the clearest advice is from Skandix so I think I will use this http://www.skandix.de/en/spare-parts...g-1-l/1060027/ There seems to be some confusion as ATF is red and mineral, CHF 11 S is synthetic and green but 30741424 is green and states on the back of the bottle “mineral oil, solvent refined 60-100%. Would the 30741424 be ok as it is mineral but also green?
__________________
2003 V40 1.9d |
The Following User Says Thank You to v40p2 For This Useful Post: |
Jul 24th, 2019, 10:52 | #2 |
VOC Member
Last Online: Apr 24th, 2024 13:41
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Grays
|
Who do you want to believe, Volvo or Skandix.
Please read my previous post carefully. Unless you live in a Scandinavian country the only problem with mixing Dextron 3 and CHF11 is the resultant colour. Volvo, Porsche and many others changed to CHF11 when it became available as it has a better temperature range and they only want to use one product wherever the car is going to be used. John
__________________
This is a Bike friendly Volvo-N.A.B.D. member 2000 V70R AWD - SWMBO 2017 XC60 D5 AWD --- Previous - 2009 V50 D5 SE LUX - 2000 V40 SE 2.0 - 1986 760 GLE 2.8 |
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to upv5 For This Useful Post: |
Jul 24th, 2019, 11:35 | #3 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Dec 26th, 2021 13:42
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Crewe
|
Quote:
CHF is widely available for £10 a litre and as long as it is still clean and the correct level, will cause no issues. I use this one.
__________________
2002 S60 SE D5 Manual 209000 miles |
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to cheshired5 For This Useful Post: |
Dec 29th, 2020, 15:03 | #4 |
New Member
Last Online: Nov 2nd, 2022 13:21
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: London
|
Green Power Steering Fluid Change
Just looking up power steering fluid, to flush out the 9 year old fluid that's in my 2012 XC60. Just something I like to do on my cars. I came across this Green Power Steering Fluid Hydraulic Oil 1 Ltr and it is compatible with all Volvo's.
Same colour as the Volvo 30741424 and is OEM specification (CHF11S as well). Half the price to Volvo Fluid which is lists as £17.20 plus VAT = £20.64 Go with 3 litres for a complete flush. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/173877307543 At GSF parts as well; https://www.gsfcarparts.com/980bm0020 There is a happy Volvo Enthusiast in Canada "VolvoSweden" who has a You Tube video on flushing out and purging the old power steering fluid (on his 2009 XC70 AWD), quite straight forward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op6vqOlutTE Why you may ask? All oils, even synthetics degrade over time and have micro particles suspended in the oil. Changing the oil can prolong the life of the pump and seals. Happy Volvo Motoring! |
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dannydude For This Useful Post: |
Apr 21st, 2022, 17:08 | #5 | |
New Member
Last Online: Dec 3rd, 2022 18:53
Join Date: Apr 2022
Location: Barry
|
Quote:
|
|
Apr 21st, 2022, 18:16 | #6 |
VOC Member
Last Online: Today 19:21
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Northampton
|
You need to post in the S40/V50/C30/C70 forum as this only deals with the classic S/V40 upto 2004. Completely different cars.
__________________
2001 V40 2.0lt Sport lux - Daily Driver. 174k miles. 2003 C70 2.4 GT Convertible - Garage Queen. 65k miles. http://www.neptuno6benagil.com |
The Following User Says Thank You to ITSv40 For This Useful Post: |
Jun 2nd, 2022, 09:51 | #7 |
Senior Member
Last Online: Today 13:13
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Cambridgeshire
|
Picking up an old thread as I've done lots of reading but have found different answers!
On my 2002 V40 I want to do a refresh of the pas fluid. It's a deep brown colour (and a little below the min line). Popped in to Volvo this week who advised to use 30741424. I believe this is CHF? And Green in colour. Were the S/V40s filled with ATF when new? - this is what Haynes also suggest is needed. If I were to mix the two - ie not a complete drain/flush - is this likely to cause any issues? |
Jun 2nd, 2022, 10:22 | #8 |
VOC Member
Last Online: Today 19:21
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Northampton
|
The Haynes manual doesn't deal with the phase2 cars very well and doesn't cover all the updates. My 2001 fluid was a dirty brown when I purchased it at 90,000mls. I went to Volvo and they confirmed it should be CHF. The car had full Volvo dealer service history so I can only assume the colour had changed through use. I purchased some Volvo.CHF fluid - which is a nice bright green - and flushed the system through with clean fluid and then topped up to the correct level. No problems since and the fluid is still dark green.
__________________
2001 V40 2.0lt Sport lux - Daily Driver. 174k miles. 2003 C70 2.4 GT Convertible - Garage Queen. 65k miles. http://www.neptuno6benagil.com |
The Following User Says Thank You to ITSv40 For This Useful Post: |
Jun 2nd, 2022, 10:58 | #9 |
Senior Member
Last Online: Today 13:13
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Cambridgeshire
|
Great thanks, think I'll end up flushing it all out and renewing rather than just a 'refresh'. Am I right in thinking it holds 1l total?
|
Jun 2nd, 2022, 12:14 | #10 |
VOC Member
Last Online: Today 19:21
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Northampton
|
Yes, I undid one of the pipe connections at the rack and soon flushed the old fluid out - front wheels off the ground and just lock to lock a few times and soon done. 1litre sounds about right, but cannot recall exactly. I think I flushed about half a litre through after the system was empty and reconnecting the pipe.
__________________
2001 V40 2.0lt Sport lux - Daily Driver. 174k miles. 2003 C70 2.4 GT Convertible - Garage Queen. 65k miles. http://www.neptuno6benagil.com |
The Following User Says Thank You to ITSv40 For This Useful Post: |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|