|
General Volvo and Motoring Discussions This forum is for messages of a general nature about Volvos that are not covered by other forums and other motoring related matters of interest. Users will need to register to post/reply. |
Information |
|
Oil Sump plug thread wornViews : 5480 Replies : 33Users Viewing This Thread : |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
Oct 21st, 2021, 11:44 | #11 | |
Master Member
Last Online: Mar 27th, 2024 13:26
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Mystery Location
|
Quote:
Even taking this in to account though, it has had 11 or 12 services from them since anyone else has potentially touched it. |
|
Oct 21st, 2021, 11:58 | #12 |
Master Member
Last Online: Mar 27th, 2024 13:26
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Mystery Location
|
Looks like your course of action is :
Be sure to let us know how you get on, as my Volvo has had 12 services, and would be interested to know if Volvo think I should have to account for a new sump in the near future. |
Oct 21st, 2021, 12:07 | #13 |
Premier Member
Last Online: Yesterday 20:26
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: STANDISH LANCASHIRE
|
I've repaired similar by using a reducing bush (aluminum pan 1954 Riley)
The original drain hole is enlarged to take the reducer and once the thread is cleaned the same gets locked in place with the right Loctite. You may be able to lock a bush into the existing thread (tapered threads are useful here) This becomes a permanent fixing that can only be removed by heating to break the seal- drain plug goes in the bush becoming a normal fixture. Done the above back in the 80s and still fine after many oil changes. As already mentioned- tell the garage to shove it! but get compensated! You can purchase repair plugs for such problems but I have no experience of these. Good Luck. |
The Following User Says Thank You to Bob Meadows For This Useful Post: |
Oct 21st, 2021, 14:00 | #14 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Yesterday 20:02
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
I think there would be a huge problem in trying to pursue #3. Getting an expert opinion would be considerably expensive, and I doubt many engineers would be keen to sign up to something that might mean they would have to take a day to appear in court. I think the chances of convincing a county court judge that a part was defective or there had been negligence during the maintenance of a 13 year old car would be negligible. The burden of proof would be on the accuser, and the dealer's very convincing legal defence would be that he had only had the motor car in his care for perhaps 20-30 hours in the entire previous 13 years. During the rest of the time he had no control over it and anything could have happened. Don't misunderstand me: I think the stripped thread was almost certainly due to a fitter in the dealer's employ overtightening the sump bolt - but I think that would be very difficult to demonstrate to a county court. mack625 (the OP) hasn't come back on this one since the first post; I rather suspect he tried #1 (I hope that worked and the dealer agreed a contribution), and maybe #2, but then had realised #3 would probably cost more than £400 and was far from assured of success. I hope mack625 does come back and let us know how this one unfolded. Alan
__________________
... another lovely day in paradise. Last edited by Othen; Oct 21st, 2021 at 14:17. Reason: Grammar. |
|
Oct 21st, 2021, 14:06 | #15 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Yesterday 20:02
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
As was also discussed above, I don't think it would be possible to prove negligence to a county court, so unless the dealer is willing to stump up a goodwill payment (and on a 13 years old motor car) then compensation would be unlikely. Alan
__________________
... another lovely day in paradise. |
|
Oct 21st, 2021, 15:59 | #16 | |
Master Member
Last Online: Mar 27th, 2024 13:26
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Mystery Location
|
Quote:
If the car has been serviced annually, with what appears to be a low mileage, there doesn't appear to be a reason why anyone else would have the plug off. Civil Court is based on the balance of probabilities, so IF you can get an expert report to say that it shouldn't wear out after 13 uses without some misuse, which is what the dealer claims. Is it more probable that OP had it off for some other reason despite faithfully getting it serviced at the same dealer every year, and he damaged it, or that it was damaged by the people that take it out every year ? There's obviously time & money at risk in going to this length, with no guarantee of return, I'm sure a reasonable argument could be had by the dealer but I can see why OP would be annoyed enough to pursue this, after faithfully returning to the same dealer to try to do the best for his car. It may also be worth the dealers time to settle rather than pay lawyers. Other route, assuming they are signed up : "Alternative Dispute Resolution involves an independent and impartial third party reviewing the evidence and making a decision, offering a view or helping the parties come to an agreement. This is a free and swift alternative to taking the issue to court. https://www.themotorombudsman.org/co...ke-a-complaint |
|
Oct 21st, 2021, 20:48 | #17 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Yesterday 20:02
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
__________________
... another lovely day in paradise. |
|
Oct 21st, 2021, 21:44 | #18 |
Master Member
Last Online: Mar 27th, 2024 07:47
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Blackpool
|
[QUOTE=Familyman 90;2778592]Why risk a helicoil if a new sump is available? Helicoil is what you turn to when all reasonable options are exhausted, not a first port of call.
A Helicoil insert ( other makes are available ) into soft metals actually has a better mechanical wear & load capacity when compared to the original metal . Helicoil inserts are used by aerospace & aviation manufacturers and most certainly meet their stringent requirements . https://www.boellhoff.com/gb-en/prod...s-helicoil.php My suggestion of insert repair was to ensure the poor OP got their vehicle back quickly & without a having a massive bill foisted onto them by an A-Hole dealer & their clearly ham fisted butchers . It is also backed up 45 years mechanical experience across a wide field . I have repaired stripped threads in engine blocks with inserts & never had an insert fail or cause a gasket to leak due to reduced clamping pressure on the head bolts / studs & bolts . You risk nothing using inserts & actually gain from their use for all the reasons I have given
__________________
To stupidity & beyond |
Oct 22nd, 2021, 21:20 | #19 |
'Mature' Member
Last Online: Mar 27th, 2024 22:05
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Newcastle upon Tyne
|
The dealer is talking rubbish. Properly removed and replaced (to the correct torque) a sump plug and threads should last the life of the car. I've done hundreds of oil changes in my 55 years of motoring and have never had damaged sump threads. I suppose it's just possible that you've had a faulty, rogue sump, but it's unlikely - and it's lasted the first 12 years ok, so why fail now? I can only think that the dealer has grossly overtightened the plug at the previous service, damaging the threads.
As others have said, the problem is proving that only the dealer has ever touched the car. The service record should demonstrate that no other oil changes would have been necessary, over and above what the dealer has done, so in all probability it is their responsibility. Stan. |
Oct 22nd, 2021, 21:43 | #20 |
Master Member
Last Online: Yesterday 21:02
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: CARDIFF
|
Remember that a civil claim is on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. If you can prove to a court that there is a 50.00001% probability that no one other than a Volvo dealer has touched your sump, then you have a chance of success.
I have found that a letter before claim has resolved most of my issues over the past couple of decades and only once has resulted in actually attending a court (which the other party didn’t attend and I won by default).
__________________
_________________________________________ 2017 XC60 D4 AWD R Design Nav 2011 V70 1.6 DRIVe SE (sold) 2008 V50 2.0D SE (sold) |
The Following User Says Thank You to TeamG For This Useful Post: |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|