Cheating the "hands on wheel sensor"?

[Haldex]

Not sure how law addresses the (semi..)autonomous driving systems, hand(s) on wheel etc.. I certainly expect the legislation to change, with the advancement of driving assistance systems..

[jonnyu]

Originally Posted by Haldex

From a fellow XC60 owner on swedespeed:

https://youtu.be/MYGQU6RuiUM

Apparently, only Florida oranges work..

Americans...

[enrm6]

Originally Posted by Haldex

Not sure how law addresses the (semi..)autonomous driving systems, hand(s) on wheel etc.. I certainly expect the legislation to change, with the advancement of driving assistance systems..

I think the simple answer is it doesn’t. The whole automation thing is ahead of the law and the technology push is causing everything else to try and catch up. The SAE have developed definitions for the levels of automation and the NHTSA (both US organisations) have developed a set of guidelines for manufacturers to adhere to. But nothing is mandatory as far as I am aware.

This is now a year old but provides some background.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/12/02...-implications/

This is interesting closer to home, but interestingly they highlight it doesn’t cover level 3. This goes to show that at the moment the law doesn’t know how to handle increasing levels of automation. The human factors issue of level 3 are enormous, expecting someone to take over, in an emergency situation after they’ve spent the last hour reading their emails and paying no attention to the driving situation, is a big unresolved issue.

https://www.herbertsmithfreehills.co...c-vehicles-act

[Chief inspector]

Originally Posted by MOzS90

Utter rubbish.

Anyone who does this and doesn’t pay the road the attention it needs is asking for trouble. Pay the road the attention required and relaxing on the steering wheel at times with PA engaged makes dual carriageway and motorway driving much more relaxing.

How is this rubbish exactly?

Have you read the Swedespeed articles on this, lots of people have tried to ‘hack’ this with weights, but eventually the car thinks this is normal and you have to weight it the other way.
I havent claimed to test it myself and if you did and were spotted you can look forward at best to 6 points, but as its newsworthy, probably a day hanging about a court while a member of the judiciary makes a name for himself.

[Haldex]

@enrm6: quite an interesting reading, and quite an interesting subject really. Not so much worried about the legal aspect of it personally as much as I am worried about my own safety..

And what you said about L3 autonomous driving for me applies to L2 as well.. Resting one's arm (or an orange.. ) on a steering wheel does not make one more alert/aware of the traffic around him..

Scary stuff.

[ergonomist]

Originally Posted by Haldex

And what you said about L3 autonomous driving for me applies to L2 as well.. Resting one's arm (or an orange.. ) on a steering wheel does not make one more alert/aware of the traffic around him..

Scary stuff.

Scary stuff indeed. There's been some interesting work on 'platooning' which is an extreme form of autonomous driving where HGVs can link with each other wirelessly such that the front one is driven actively and following vehicles are commanded by the front one - it allows them to drive just a foot or two from each other as each vehicle will brake at exactly the same time etc. Drivers are present in each of the following vehicles to monitor the system etc. Apparently the stress on the trailing drivers is enormous (fortunately I can't see the system working for many other reasons). But as you say - the potential to lose situational awareness when using autonomous systems is huge. I'd quite like cars in L3 state to show some sort of indication that their drivers' are 'switched off' (hazard lights slow-flashing, perhaps?).

[Kranvagn]

Originally Posted by familymangreg

What an effing pr*ck, overriding safety systems, using the function not as designed while filming a youtube video.

Hello my friends from across the pond! Said Effing American Pr*ck here.

Since the 2nd half of that just 4 minute and 10 second video talked about how dangerous this is because of the clear inadequacies of modern auto pilot systems, and therefore how Volvo (and Tesla and the like) should really get their $hit together and make the attention detection systems harder to defeat, I'm surmising you didn't spend more than about 100 seconds pondering all this before spouting off. Or, maybe you did watch it all and just wanted to be a troll, that could be possible too, sneaky... And now look what you've done, crushed my naïve American assumption that people with British accents are well educated thoughtful people...sigh.
Cheers!



ps, it was a California Orange

[yeoman]

I like the Pilot assist and on a recent trans continental road trip,it was very useful.
The thing to bear in mind is that the system does not ALWAYs work.

Most of us buy Volvos due to their safety records.

Bearing this in mind,it seems counter intuitive to me, for one expose himself or his precious cargo to the vagaries of a system you know may fail.

[Bernard F]

Originally Posted by yeoman

I like the Pilot assist and on a recent trans continental road trip,it was very useful.
The thing to bear in mind is that the system does not ALWAYs work.

Most of us buy Volvos due to their safety records.

Bearing this in mind,it seems counter intuitive to me, for one expose himself or his precious cargo to the vagaries of a system you know may fail.

Please note the clue is in the title. It’s an assistant, not a system to be relied on for your safety. Having said that my Pilot Assist always works when the conditions are right and these include full driver awareness in case it falls out for which you get both audio and visual warning.

[Haldex]

Originally Posted by Kranvagn

Hello my friends from across the pond! Said Effing American Pr*ck here.

Since the 2nd half of that just 4 minute and 10 second video talked about how dangerous this is because of the clear inadequacies of modern auto pilot systems, and therefore how Volvo (and Tesla and the like) should really get their $hit together and make the attention detection systems harder to defeat, I'm surmising you didn't spend more than about 100 seconds pondering all this before spouting off. Or, maybe you did watch it all and just wanted to be a troll, that could be possible too, sneaky... And now look what you've done, crushed my naïve American assumption that people with British accents are well educated thoughtful people...sigh.
Cheers!

Hahah Welcome to the forum buddy! No hard feelings.. some people may have overreacted to your video - but no pun intended.