VIDA/DICE unit needed for diagnostics - Page 3

Volvofreak2 · Dec 26th, 2020, 23:03

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CSCUK · Jan 15th, 2021, 21:19

See later post for content that was repeated by mistake in this post (now deleted)

CSCUK · Jan 15th, 2021, 21:27

Thanks for advice.
Firstly - my car has the ignition coil and spark plug wires set up.

Secondly - my ETM looks nothing like the ETM that the link you gave shows?

As for the keys.
I changed the barrel years ago and had the chip from the ignition key for the old barrel put in the key for the new barrell and it started fine. To check for the chip having gone I took a spare original ignition key and held it on the antenna ring while cranking the motor (by using a screwdriver in the ignition switch which I had removed). If the starting fault had been the chip in the normal ignition key, with a different key it should have run ok but the fault still persisted exactly the same.

There are two donk sounds that come from somewhere on the inside of the firewall (far back below the dash on the steering wheel side) a moment before the motor dies. It sounds like a vacuum control closing. If anyone knows what exactly it is that makes this sound it may pinpoint the fault.

I also am considering if the fault could be the module that the key chip signals that then sends instructions to the ECU and motor to run while there is signalling from the key chip.

The troubleshooting chart advice was to test the ETM by removing and replacing a fuse and that you should hear the ETM click on and whine after removing and replacing fuse #2.
When I do this I hear absolutely nothing from my ETM? The chart advises that if there isn't any response from the ETM it could be a faulty relay in fusebox. But this is established by further testing that I cannot do coz the chart shows the plug to the ETM to have 6 pins and as best I can see the equivalent on my motor is only 3 pins. (i think the chart ETM is not the same type as mine)

Advice greatly appreciated.

CSCUK · Jan 15th, 2021, 21:44

Thanks for advice.
Firstly - my car has the ignition coil and spark plug wires set up.

Secondly - my ETM looks nothing like the ETM that the link you gave shows?

As for the keys.
I changed the barrel years ago and had the chip from the ignition key for the old barrel put in the key for the new barrell and it started fine. To check for the chip having gone I took a spare original ignition key and held it on the antenna ring while cranking the motor (by using a screwdriver in the ignition switch which I had removed). If the starting fault had been the chip in the normal ignition key, with a different key it should have run ok but the fault still persisted exactly the same.

There are two donk sounds that come from somewhere on the inside of the firewall (far back below the dash on the steering wheel side) a moment before the motor dies. It sounds like a vacuum control closing. If anyone knows what exactly it is that makes this sound it may pinpoint the fault.

I also am considering if the fault could be the module that the key chip signals that then sends instructions to the ECU and motor to run while there is signalling from the key chip.

The troubleshooting chart advice was to test the ETM by removing and replacing a fuse and that you should hear the ETM click on and whine after removing and replacing fuse #2.
When I do this I hear absolutely nothing from my ETM? The chart advises that if there isn't any response from the ETM it could be a faulty relay in fusebox. But this is established by further testing that I cannot do coz the chart shows the plug to the ETM to have 6 pins and as best I can see the equivalent on my motor is only 3 pins. (i think the chart ETM is not the same type as mine)

Advice greatly appreciated.

Luxobarge · Jan 15th, 2021, 22:23

Re. your comments about the ETM - if your car has coil and HT leads, distributor etc. then it does not have an ETM, just a normal throttle body with a throttle cable.

ETM = Electronic Throttle Module = no throttle cable.

However, that's most unlikely for a 1999 car, I thought they were all ETM and pencil coil ignition, are you sure about the ignition set up?

CSCUK · Jan 19th, 2021, 02:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luxobarge

However, that's most unlikely for a 1999 car, I thought they were all ETM and pencil coil ignition, are you sure about the ignition set up?

I have checked and it definitely is cable and throttle body set up - no ETM
The car is a may 1999 model

Luxobarge · Jan 19th, 2021, 08:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSCUK

I have checked and it definitely is cable and throttle body set up - no ETM
The car is a may 1999 model

Thanks for confirming. OK, so there's no point in following ETM troubleshooting guides, as your car doesn't have one.

aaronturbo · Jan 27th, 2021, 09:59

I sell systems and have a laptop and VCX tool ready to send out @£250 delivered. It could be with you by Friday and as Vida is already configured, you just turn on the laptop and it is ready to read the car within a couple of minutes.

I have seen this vcx tool is it the same as dice?> if so i might have to pick one of these up.

DieselDoNicely · Jan 31st, 2021, 13:07

I dont think DICE works on a car this early. It used to be VARDIS, I had a copy someplace. A guy in Sweden was flogging them on ebay twenty years ago.

Monty rudge · Jan 31st, 2021, 16:44

Hi i have a volvo s70 registered november 1998 and vida dice works ok hope this helps.

Dec 26th, 2020, 23:03	#21
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Jan 15th, 2021, 21:19	#22
CSCUK Junior Member Last Online: Mar 3rd, 2024 18:34 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Chester	Duplicate of content of later post See later post for content that was repeated by mistake in this post (now deleted) Last edited by CSCUK; Jan 15th, 2021 at 21:36. Reason: Accidentally repeated later post content

Jan 15th, 2021, 21:27	#23
CSCUK Junior Member Last Online: Mar 3rd, 2024 18:34 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Chester	Reply to latest advice Thanks for advice. Firstly - my car has the ignition coil and spark plug wires set up. Secondly - my ETM looks nothing like the ETM that the link you gave shows? As for the keys. I changed the barrel years ago and had the chip from the ignition key for the old barrel put in the key for the new barrell and it started fine. To check for the chip having gone I took a spare original ignition key and held it on the antenna ring while cranking the motor (by using a screwdriver in the ignition switch which I had removed). If the starting fault had been the chip in the normal ignition key, with a different key it should have run ok but the fault still persisted exactly the same. There are two donk sounds that come from somewhere on the inside of the firewall (far back below the dash on the steering wheel side) a moment before the motor dies. It sounds like a vacuum control closing. If anyone knows what exactly it is that makes this sound it may pinpoint the fault. I also am considering if the fault could be the module that the key chip signals that then sends instructions to the ECU and motor to run while there is signalling from the key chip. The troubleshooting chart advice was to test the ETM by removing and replacing a fuse and that you should hear the ETM click on and whine after removing and replacing fuse #2. When I do this I hear absolutely nothing from my ETM? The chart advises that if there isn't any response from the ETM it could be a faulty relay in fusebox. But this is established by further testing that I cannot do coz the chart shows the plug to the ETM to have 6 pins and as best I can see the equivalent on my motor is only 3 pins. (i think the chart ETM is not the same type as mine) Advice greatly appreciated.

Jan 15th, 2021, 22:23	#25
Luxobarge Premier Member Last Online: Yesterday 22:43 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Horne (Nr. Horley)	Re. your comments about the ETM - if your car has coil and HT leads, distributor etc. then it does not have an ETM, just a normal throttle body with a throttle cable. ETM = Electronic Throttle Module = no throttle cable. However, that's most unlikely for a 1999 car, I thought they were all ETM and pencil coil ignition, are you sure about the ignition set up? __________________ Some people are like Slinkies, they serve no useful purpose but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them downstairs. Last edited by Luxobarge; Jan 15th, 2021 at 22:26.

Jan 31st, 2021, 13:07	#29
DieselDoNicely Premier Member Last Online: Apr 2nd, 2024 14:59 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Brecon	I dont think DICE works on a car this early. It used to be VARDIS, I had a copy someplace. A guy in Sweden was flogging them on ebay twenty years ago. __________________ 1997 850 Tdi Auto Estate 416,000 miles scrapped May 2016 2003 V70 SE D5 Auto 350,000 miles dead in the drive way 2005 V70 SE D5 Geartronic 170,000 miles 05 2005 V70 SE D5 Geartronic 205,000 miles 55 2011 V70 Lux D3 Geartronic 220,000 miles

Jan 15th, 2021, 21:44	#24
CSCUK Junior Member Last Online: Mar 3rd, 2024 18:34 Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Chester	Thanks for advice. Firstly - my car has the ignition coil and spark plug wires set up. Secondly - my ETM looks nothing like the ETM that the link you gave shows? As for the keys. I changed the barrel years ago and had the chip from the ignition key for the old barrel put in the key for the new barrell and it started fine. To check for the chip having gone I took a spare original ignition key and held it on the antenna ring while cranking the motor (by using a screwdriver in the ignition switch which I had removed). If the starting fault had been the chip in the normal ignition key, with a different key it should have run ok but the fault still persisted exactly the same. There are two donk sounds that come from somewhere on the inside of the firewall (far back below the dash on the steering wheel side) a moment before the motor dies. It sounds like a vacuum control closing. If anyone knows what exactly it is that makes this sound it may pinpoint the fault. I also am considering if the fault could be the module that the key chip signals that then sends instructions to the ECU and motor to run while there is signalling from the key chip. The troubleshooting chart advice was to test the ETM by removing and replacing a fuse and that you should hear the ETM click on and whine after removing and replacing fuse #2. When I do this I hear absolutely nothing from my ETM? The chart advises that if there isn't any response from the ETM it could be a faulty relay in fusebox. But this is established by further testing that I cannot do coz the chart shows the plug to the ETM to have 6 pins and as best I can see the equivalent on my motor is only 3 pins. (i think the chart ETM is not the same type as mine) Advice greatly appreciated.

Jan 27th, 2021, 09:59	#28
aaronturbo Junior Member Last Online: Oct 25th, 2021 17:30 Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Canterbury	I sell systems and have a laptop and VCX tool ready to send out @£250 delivered. It could be with you by Friday and as Vida is already configured, you just turn on the laptop and it is ready to read the car within a couple of minutes. I have seen this vcx tool is it the same as dice?> if so i might have to pick one of these up.

Jan 31st, 2021, 16:44	#30
Monty rudge Junior Member Last Online: Apr 9th, 2024 21:36 Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Cupar	vida dice Hi i have a volvo s70 registered november 1998 and vida dice works ok hope this helps.

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