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Jul 4th, 2010, 22:36 | #1 |
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Diesel particulate filter and rising oil levels discussion
There are a number of threads scattered around the various boards for the models affected and it has been suggested to keep the discussion here as the issue is particular to the engines and not the cars.
All the other threads are indexed below and can be linked to from here to read the previous discussions. If you know of any other discussions let me know and I will add them to the list. Diesel Engines Rising oil level on C30 D5 S80 '98-'06 / S60, V70 & XC70 '00-'07 General Diesel DPF recall Engine: D5: Confused about oil Engine: D5: Engine Oil Change Engine: D5: Soot Filter driving me crazy...HELP S80 '06> / V70 '07> General Diesel Particulate Filter DPF V70: Engine Safety Recall Notice General Volvo and Motoring Discussions S60: General Diesel Particulate Filter - recall MPG on 2008 Volvo S80 D5 Geartronic Diesel Particulate Filter - Wish List XC90 General Engine: D52447: Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) XC60 General XC60 2.4D - Oil level going up !
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Jul 26th, 2010, 13:02 | #2 |
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Hi All,
Question surrounding oil for the D5 163 on a 2004 year (04) more specifically in my S60 SE. Need some oil... Volvo Genuine 0w30 Fully Synthetic A5B5 - 7 Litres for £93.10. (Sold by Volvo) Or Q8 T630 5w30 Part Synthetic A5B5 (apparently with a letter saying it is approved by Volvo) - 7 Litres for £31.68. (Sold by Volvo) Or Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 5L Fully Synthetic A5B5 - 7 Litres for £74.00. (Halfords) Which oil should I put in my car?! I'm aware the D5 engine can be quite fussy, and that apparently it has a 7 litre sump... Cheers Chris
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Jul 26th, 2010, 13:28 | #3 |
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Just been on the phone to another Volvo dealership...
They can sell me 7 litres of the 0w30 A5B5 Fully Synthetic Genuine Volvo stuff (apparently it's Catrol SLX "designed for Volvo") for £88.20 all in.
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If anyone recommends anything cheaper and just as good, i'll use that at the next oil change!
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Jul 27th, 2010, 15:09 | #5 |
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Jul 29th, 2010, 13:59 | #6 |
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i think this is the cheapest place, even with the postage, to get it online ......http://www.mapodo.de/ole-nach/alle-v...-30-1-ltr.html
Just worked it out and the cost with postage for 7 litres is £73.22
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I made a comment on this thread http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showth...t=97764&page=2 quite a long time ago and signed off with "watch this space..." Well that was quite some time ago and not wanting to jeopardise my case with Volvo, I have kept quiet. Until Now! Initially, Volvo UK decided to ignore my requests for investigation into the problem, saying that my car was not affected. They then made us (it's my wife's car) jump through numerous hoops in an attempt (we thought) to identify the problem and find a cure. It now turns out they (by asking us to have the oil drained, measured and refilled then driven for 3000 miles and have it drained and measured again) were analysing the engines behaviour so that they could recommend to the dealers the correct level to fill the engine oil to so that the problem "appeared" to have been solved. One suggestion I made to Volvo is that they at least change the software so that if the oil rises beyond a dangerous point (over the MAX level) the EMS notifies the driver of the problem. I have now discovered, that was the extent of the software update. Volvo (to my knowledge) have not addressed the problem of the dilution of the lubricant with diesel in any way. All they have done is change the software so that a light will come on and an audible warning will sound when the oil rises too high. They have also directed all service agents that they should only fill the affected engines to 3/4 of the original specified oil level... in an effort to make sure that the said oil level warning indicator does not come on before the next service interval. I admit that after the last service in October, I took my eye off the ball a little. I did not continue to check the oil level... I hadn't driven the wifes car since buying a BMW but a few weeks ago whilst washing it, sat in the volvo and checked the oil level... Just under MAX again! After a call to our local service agent, they confirmed that the software was changed to add a warning over an over level situation and that they only fill affected engines to 3/4 the original specification. So, the problem persists! At the height of my complaints and the "investigation" by Volvo, I had a quantity of the drained / adulterated oil sent off for analysis by a family member who had lab time on an industrial viscometer. The oil was checked and found to have a viscosity of 31.5 cSt @40degrees C. The original clean oil has a viscosity of 75 cSt. So, by diluting the oil with Diesel, our engines are halving the viscosity of the life blood which keeps it lubricated. This MUST be having a direct effect on the longevity of the engine. You cannot run an engine with the wrong viscosity oil and expect it to last very long. In order to ascertain whether some of this drop in Kinematic Viscosity was due to the normal behaviour of the oil during it's lifetime, I contacted Castrol and asked what they expected to happen to their oil's viscosity from first fill to the next service interval. The chap I spoke to straight away asked which Volvo I was driving!! He then informed that Volvo new about the problem with this particular powerplant but let it go to market anyway. He also told me that the oil's viscosity should not change at all during it's lifetime. Volvo have dropped this and a few other power plants very rapidly from their line up. I wonder why? So, we are now back to where we started; The engine has not been fixed, the software upgrade did nothing to change the way the diesel is allowed to slip passed the wiper rings during the DPF burn off cycle, the lubricant is still being diluted which will probably lead to partial or complete failure of major engine components. The owners manual clearly states that the vehicle should not be driven with the wrong viscosity oil. Yet by underfilling the oil resevoir and merely draining oil off when it gets too high (by dilution with diesel) Volvo are knowingly asking the owner to drive the vehicle in a condition which Volvo states " will void all warrantees.." Could I urge all worried parties to check their engine oil levels again and update this thread, stating whether the oil level is above 1/4 full? 1/4 is the level to which the Volvo service agents are now told to fill these particular engines. I am at a loss as to what action to take now. We (STUPIDLY) didn't take the car back to the garage and demand a full repair or a refund if not rapaired within a fixed time frame. We trusted Volvo and were let down. They said they had fixed the problem when all they have done is cover it up. They even made us pay for clean oil to be added during the testing phase because I didn't weant the car to run with insufficiently thick lubricant. Is there anyone with legal training who could advise us what to do now? rgds, Alun |
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Jul 4th, 2012, 23:24 | #8 |
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Use a low saps 5w40 oil and change the oil every 10000 miles that would keep you out of problems
But if you still have warranty they use it as an excuse to not compensate Because the sticker says 0w30 0w30 was only advised for being low saps and slightly lower emision due to the low viscosity The oildillution makes that already too thin oil thinner Audi petrol turbo's without dillution already seized up with that wateroilcrap and audi now prohibits 0w30 for those engines Now be prepared by all those submissive volvo rule followers who will say in reaction to this thread numerous time that the manual "commands" 0w30 even when they dont know why and volvo cant be wrong wont they? They didnt even knew 5 years ago why the oillevels where rising yet alone that those wateroils thinned even more due to regeneration with biodieseldillution!! My volvo isnt in warranty and my engineer oil analysis heart says that thicker oil can cushion the dillution levels combined with shorter drain intervals |
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Since getting my 2006 S60 D5 185 , 3 years ago i have exclusively used Mobil 1 5w-30 ESP Formula ( Low Ash ). I change this oil + filter every 10k Many on here criticised this choice of oil and warned of horrendous consequences by not sticking to a 0w-30. Well to my mind , given the potential problems with the DPF , the low ash aspect of Mobil1 ESP outweighed the non conforming to specified viscocity. 35k on i have had no problems whatsover with the DPF, rising oil levels or indeed mechanical disaster and the fuel economy has been nothing short of superb throughout. Darryl
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So I'm looking at 2 high milers at the moment. A 55 Reg V70 manual with 185 engine done 180k and an 05 V70 with 163 engine geartronic.
Should I stear clear of 185 even though manual? What MPG am I liable to get with manual - I know what the 163 geartronic will do. |
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