Ford vs Geely

[yostumpy]

I read on one of the Farce Book XC 70 groups, that folks, one folk in particular, claims that the later P3 ones built under Geely were far better built than the earlier P3 models built under Ford. Any body care to comment, elaborate, dismiss?

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by yostumpy

I read on one of the Farce Book XC 70 groups, that folks, one folk in particular, claims that the later P3 ones built under Geeley were far better built than the earlier P3 models built under Ford. Any body care to comment, elaborate, dismiss?

I have always heard that vehicles made under Ford had significant cost cutting and corner cutting.

[Clan]

Originally Posted by yostumpy

I read on one of the Farce Book XC 70 groups, that folks, one folk in particular, claims that the later P3 ones built under Geeley were far better built than the earlier P3 models built under Ford. Any body care to comment, elaborate, dismiss?

VOLVO Built the car not Ford or Geeley the quality should remain constant through out where everand when ever it is made . . back then the owners just supplied the money and let volvo get on with it as they always have . The 2008 onward cars shared the mondeo platform but are true volvos as volvo did the chassis which ford used . if you look under one you will see it has many volvo traits rather than Ford ones .

[XC90Mk1]

Originally Posted by Clan

VOLVO Built the car not Ford or Geeley the quality should remain constant through out where everand when ever it is made . . back then the owners just supplied the money and let volvo get on with it as they always have . The 2008 onward cars shared the mondeo platform but are true volvos as volvo did the chassis which ford used . if you look under one you will see it has many volvo traits rather than Ford ones .

There is a lot of Ford stuff also though isn’t there clan.

[yostumpy]

I must say, that every time I see a Mondeo, I look at the windscreen, and think...hmm... will it fit, same side trim, same gap at the top.
I did think that Volvo wouldn't cut corners, but some folks seem convinced.

[john.wigley]

Originally Posted by XC90Mk1

I have always heard that vehicles made under Ford had significant cost cutting and corner cutting.

I'm not sure that I would go so far as to say 'corner cutting', 'XC90Mk1'. That would be unwise and likely to rebound in a high number of customer complaints. In my experience, albeit not with Volvo, Ford are very cost conscious and will actively pursue cost savings (not the same thing as cost cutting). In today's industrial climate, that is to be expected of all responsible manufacturers everywhere. Those not doing so are likely to go out of business sooner rather than later.

Cars, along with most consumer products these days, are engineered primarily for speed, ease and economy of production, rather than for maintenance or, indeed, any other consideration. Although most manufacturers will naturally strive to achieve excellence, this will also involve compromise. The balance between cost and quality, measured in customer complaints, is a fine one and continuously monitored by all manufacturers.

I'm afraid that I am unable to comment on Geely, as I have no experience or knowledge of their business ethos or methodology, but I would wager a significant sum that it is little different from those of their competitors.

Regards, John.

[Sotosound]

The move from Ford to Geely did lead to the discontinuation of the use of the Ford-PSA 4-cylinder 2-litre diesel engine, and its replacement with Volvo's own much sweeter 5-cylinder 2-litre diesel engine. That was a plus.

My impression of Ford is also that, historically, they have always been very conservative when it comes to engine technology, so I doubt that they would have allowed the development of the VEA engine.

My impression of Geely, however, is that although they are far happier to let Volvo develop new technology, the quality and reliability of the new product has possibly suffered alongside this.

So, for instance, Ford might not have allowed the development of the VEA engine but, under Geely, that engine has had a chequered history, with both EGR-related issues and oil consumption-related issues.

You can't win.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by john.wigley

I'm not sure that I would go so far as to say 'corner cutting',

I would go that far because I believe that they did.

I remember when I owned a Mk1 XC90 and XC60 at the same time and you could tell the differences within 30 seconds of starting to service them.... the XC90 engine under tray was fibre glass and held in place by anodised bolts into captive nuts on the subframe. The XC60 under tray is flimsy fibre material and held in place by self tapping screws into plastic plugs.

Lets be clear though, everything is relative, the took a very high standard and lowered it to "above average" maybe?

I also remember my 2006 X-Type Jaguar company car than I had for 3 years and 127k miles. Never let me down but after 60k every time it went in for a service it came back with a list of bits that needed changing - all Ford electrics, suspension or engine...

And if you look in my signature you will see I have a Ford and a Volvo vehicle of similar vintage, compared to the FoMoCo Volvo the build quality on the pure Ford is appalling. Having to spend £350 tomorrow getting all the locks changed as the ignition barrel has worn out and it's very difficult to start. Got the Ford parts, auto locksmith says he does 2 Transits and 1 Ranger a week on average.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by yostumpy

I read on one of the Farce Book XC 70 groups, that folks, one folk in particular, claims that the later P3 ones built under Geely were far better built than the earlier P3 models built under Ford. Any body care to comment, elaborate, dismiss?

Volvo built the car, not Ford or Geely. Isn't yours is a Ford based model too, even though its a 2016 plate? Geely are behind the S60, V60, S90, V90, XC40, XC60 & XC90 to date? The XC70 doesn't fall into Geely, or am I mistaken?

I suppose this, in a way, relates to the "P3's not being as good as P2's". So much so that my understanding is that the P3's aren't classed as "true Volvo's" because of their link to Ford, whereas the P2's were just Volvo only with no Ford underpinnings (I think).

I have a P3 (2007 S80) & I think they're a fantastic car. Its very comfortable & just a nice place to be. P2's have no rear leg room & look dated now, in my opinion.

As for the P3 with Ford underpinnings vs Geely side of things, I'm not so sure about Geely reliability yet. These cars are still relatively young & time will tell on that front I think. There does seem to be threads about the Power Pulse pipes bursting frequently. I guess we'll have to wait & see.

[yostumpy]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Volvo built the car, not Ford or Geely. Isn't yours is a Ford based model too, even though its a 2016 plate? Geely are behind the S60, V60, S90, V90, XC40, XC60 & XC90 to date? The XC70 doesn't fall into Geely, or am I mistaken?
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Well, this was really the question. I was under the impression from the conversation, that somehow the quality of the build , of the P3 XC70 ,changed sometime during its ownership change over. The way the conversation was going, I thought it was common knowledge, that’s why I asked on here.
Seems unlikely.