Short trips with a Diesel car

[TonyB65]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Apologies, but diesel is a completely inappropriate fuel for a car.
Lorries - where you need massive torque, then yes, but a car? Nah.

Sold to us by governments as the fuel of the future, 10 years later, it's the worst thing since coal. Helped along the way by the VW scandal.

You'd be better off with a T2/T3 if you only do short trips.

Cheers

[Rant mode on]

Firstly, I do need that torque for when I'm towing my caravan, and my well maintained V70 D5 is likely to last a lot longer than most cars, ergo it is better for the environment than some crappy Ford or Vauxhall which is likely to be a rotting hulk way before my car, not to mention the crap they chuck out of their cheap fuel systems after 50K+ miles. As a previous owner of some of those cars I can testify first hand how much crap they chuck out as they gradually disintegrate before they've even been around the clock. My V70 might not be the most economical car but the exhaust is like an angels breath compared to those cars. Anyone who has started a second hand Ford/Vauxhall on a cold winters morning and then driven it uphill/or driven behind someone doing that will know exactly what I mean.

Secondly, the same people who told us to buy diesels are now telling us to buy electric cars instead, without telling us of all the environmental pitfalls of mining for rare metals, exhausting that supply, and not explaining how all these electric vehicles are really going to be powered by proxy, which is via electricity generated by fossil fuels, and you're still prepared to listen to them?

Finally, FWIW, the element that gives life to everything on this planet, that is 0.04% of the earth's atmosphere, of which man's contribution to that 0.04% is a miniscule 3% is definitely not changing the climate in any meaningful way anyway, and to believe so is frankly absurd.

[Rant mode off]

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

Right and your car emits unicorn farts I presume and you would happily stick your mouth over the tail pipe.....

If you're so concerned about the environment, you wouldn't burn any fossil fuel for your own convenience and pleasure so let's be realistic about your green credentials.

Based on my last MOT emissions certificate, they're a lot better than people who decide to own and run oil burners.

I've attached it for your viewing pleasure

Cheers

[green van man]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Based on my last MOT emissions certificate, they're a lot better than people who decide to own and run oil burners.

I've attached it for your viewing pleasure

Cheers

Know what, I don't care, you made your choise and I made mine.
I run a D5 and a 300tdi while not needing to justify it to anyone . I pay all taxes due on them and that is the end of the matter.

The generation before mine left the aftermath of 2 world wars for mine to deal with, the next will have to deal with mines dealing with the ****e we were left with. They call it progress but in reality it's progressive capitalism without which we all starve under the current system.

Feel smug about your choices by all means but don't try to decry mine cause it won't work, I can afford to leave both vehicles ticking over 24/7 out of spite if I choose to and bugger the consequences.

Paul.

[cheshired5]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Based on my last MOT emissions certificate, they're a lot better than people who decide to own and run oil burners.

The Diesel emissions test doesn't require or contain comparable data so I'm unsure how you can define "better".

As has been alluded to, for every diesel with 300k miles, there's probably been 2 petrol cars needing to be consumed to achieve similar longevity.

By your rationale on emissions, 6 electric cars regularly replaced over 20 years is environmentally better than 1 well maintained diesel.
Low or zero emissions on the road is a small factor in what makes something sustainable and long sighted environmental impact requires much more scrutiny than your short sighted analysis of what you deem to be green.

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by green van man

Know what, I don't care, you made your choise and I made mine.
I run a D5 and a 300tdi while not needing to justify it to anyone . I pay all taxes due on them and that is the end of the matter.

The generation before mine left the aftermath of 2 world wars for mine to deal with, the next will have to deal with mines dealing with the ****e we were left with. They call it progress but in reality it's progressive capitalism without which we all starve under the current system.

Feel smug about your choices by all means but don't try to decry mine cause it won't work, I can afford to leave both vehicles ticking over 24/7 out of spite if I choose to and bugger the consequences.

Paul.

I’m not trying to feel smug or decry anything, I’m simply confused to why people opt to drive diesels, and in OP’s case for “short journeys only”.
“Because the government told us to” just sounds like a cop out for making a bad decision. That’s all.

Cheers

[Bendolfc]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Apologies, but diesel is a completely inappropriate fuel for a car.
Lorries - where you need massive torque, then yes, but a car? Nah.

Sold to us by governments as the fuel of the future, 10 years later, it's the worst thing since coal. Helped along the way by the VW scandal.

You'd be better off with a T2/T3 if you only do short trips.

Cheers

Yes, because a modern petrolis so much cleaner than a modern diesel...

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

The Diesel emissions test doesn't require or contain comparable data so I'm unsure how you can define "better".

As has been alluded to, for every diesel with 300k miles, there's probably been 2 petrol cars needing to be consumed to achieve similar longevity.

By your rationale on emissions, 6 electric cars regularly replaced over 20 years is environmentally better than 1 well maintained diesel.
Low or zero emissions on the road is a small factor in what makes something sustainable and long sighted environmental impact requires much more scrutiny than your short sighted analysis of what you deem to be green.

Not directly comparable but apparently we were “sold the idea” that diesels are somewhat cleaner, which is simply not true.

[jonnyf90]

Originally Posted by Bendolfc

Yes, because a modern petrolis so much cleaner than a modern diesel...

They look a load better quite frankly. Plus why does London’s ULEZ allow euro 4 petrols but is much stricter with Euro 6 for diesels?

[Bendolfc]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

They look a load better quite frankly. Plus why does London’s ULEZ allow euro 4 petrols but is much stricter with Euro 6 for diesels?

What look a load better, the limits for E6 for petrol and diesel are very similar.

The reason that it is E4 for petrol and E6 for diesel is quite simply because E4 diesels were a lot dirtier, they have cleaned up significantly in the last few years to the point where they are not much different to a petrol but people like to bury their head in the sand and stick to the diesel = bad rhetoric.

[cheshired5]

Originally Posted by jonnyf90

Not directly comparable but apparently we were “sold the idea” that diesels are somewhat cleaner, which is simply not true.

I wasn't sold anything.
Diesels have greater longevity than petrols so are better in the long term when it comes to needing replacing.
You're only obsessed with emissions on the road though so you won't understand this.