D4 VEA 'check engine' light / EGR fault thread

[craigv60]

Originally Posted by GMcL

Company car tax is 1% of list price.
Road tax is 9,50€ / 100cc + 2€ / g/km over 95g/km (I think it is at present). I pay 228€ for my 163PS D3 which is officially rated at 139g/km but when it was new (2011) the allowance was 120 g/km. A D4 would be 198€ so not so much difference in taxation and the fuel economy would probably be marginal. Thinking about it they probably buy more local brands as the saving in CO2 based tax and fuel is marginal at best.

I pay 36€ for my wife's Toyota Hybrid as petrol is 2€ / 100cc and her car is rated at 92g/km so no CO2 tax to pay.

Interesting, thanks for that.

[xsaab]

Your pictures of the marine diesel engines remind me of my short time at B&W in Copenhagen. All of the components were massive compared to the motor car equivalent.

[GMcL]

Originally Posted by GMcL

Company car tax is 1% of list price.
Road tax is 9,50€ / 100cc + 2€ / g/km over 95g/km (I think it is at present). I pay 228€ for my 163PS D3 which is officially rated at 139g/km but when it was new (2011) the allowance was 120 g/km. A D4 would be 198€ so not so much difference in taxation and the fuel economy would probably be marginal. Thinking about it they probably buy more local brands as the saving in CO2 based tax and fuel is marginal at best.

I pay 36€ for my wife's Toyota Hybrid as petrol is 2€ / 100cc and her car is rated at 92g/km so no CO2 tax to pay.

I should have added to balance the additional road tax diesel is cheaper, currently around 98 cents/litre compared to 1,20€+ per litre for petrol.

Filled up in Luxembourg this afternoon at the equivalent of 65p (88.8 cents) per litre for diesel, regular petrol was about 78p (1.07€) per litre.

[craigv60]

Just had an interesting chat with the service people at my supplying dealer.

My V60 D4 was due to get its second replacement EGR cooler tomorrow (Jan 5th), as I've had the Check Engine light intermittently since October.

The dealer called me and asked if I still had full power (I do, mine's never gone into limp mode). They then postponed fitting the replacement EGR cooler, on the proviso that if I did experience limp mode, I should call Volvo Assist and it will be fixed straight away.

They went on to explain that the live data-logging on a selection of affected cars (started in November 2015 by the visit of the tech guys from Sweden) will conclude on 1st February, after which they expect to have a permanent fix prepared.

So the official advice seems to be:

1) If a car has the 'Check Engine' light but still drives normally, leave it for now until the permanent fix is available.

2) If a car does go into limp mode with the EGR problem, fix it immediately with the currently-available stock of updated EGR valves and coolers - although this is NOT regarded as the definitive, permanent fix.


My own personal conclusion from this is that Volvo has realised it can't carry on just chucking new parts (plus all the labour costs etc) at affected cars, in the hope that it fixes them. Instead, they are now only applying the interim fix on an absolute 'as-needed' basis, and waiting for a permanent fix based on the data from the live logs.

[Harvey1512]

I presume from that they still do not have a permanent fix then? Mmmmmm, not great after all this time.

[craigv60]

Originally Posted by Harvey1512

I presume from that they still do not have a permanent fix then? Mmmmmm, not great after all this time.

That's what the dealer service guy said to me: if the car is not going into limp mode, then they are waiting until a permanent fix is available. The current, updated EGR components at dealers right now are not regarded as being a permanent fix.

It all smacks to me of "hmmm, these cars are not behaving in the real world like our computer simulations said they should."

I really hope, for Volvo's sake, that they have not rushed the introduction of the VEA motor. If you're going to bet the company's future on a brand-new engine, you need to be pretty confident that you've got the wrinkles ironed out.

Or have all the car manufacturers forgotten NSU's RO80?

[Turnwood]

Just as a quick update, I have now done 27k miles in my Jan 2015 built car and still no evidence of any engine management lights/tortoises etc. I still feel that performance can vary quite considerably from day to day and will mention this at the next service in around 10k miles.

[Waggatron]

Can I join the EGR club? Just had the check emissions light come on on my D4 XC60 after 15,000 miles (16 months old). Booked into Rybrook next week for the new bits. Just hope it doesn't go into limp mode before then.....

[Marc01]

Hmmm interesting Craigy, the conversation I had was different it was along the lines of the Swedish engineers have been out, done the data logging and investigstions, and my car is now fitted with the latest redesigned cooler, apparently this cooler has a completely redesigned interior as a result of the live data logging which along with revised software should resolve the issue... That was back in September and I was fortunate enough to get one of the early revised parts.

That was from the Volvo master technician direct from Volvo HQ after my car was sent to the closest dealership to Volvo UK.

[craigv60]

Originally Posted by Marc01

Hmmm interesting Craigy, the conversation I had was different it was along the lines of the Swedish engineers have been out, done the data logging and investigstions, and my car is now fitted with the latest redesigned cooler, apparently this cooler has a completely redesigned interior as a result of the live data logging which along with revised software should resolve the issue... That was back in September and I was fortunate enough to get one of the early revised parts.

That was from the Volvo master technician direct from Volvo HQ after my car was sent to the closest dealership to Volvo UK.

Fair enough - either the Swedish engineers have been visiting different regions in the UK at different times, or we're being spun a line ...

My own car was shortlisted for live datalogging with the Swedish techs by my supplying dealer (Rybrook Warrington), but they were able to put forward 4 cars that had actually gone into limp mode with the EGR problem: these were preferred to mine, which has never gone into limp mode. They would have taken my car for fitting the logging device in early November 2015.