What's the problem with electric cars?

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Wagon Sailor

Did I read somewhere that the older batteries don't do well with modern, quicker smart chargers? And that consequently there's now a market for second-hand batteries for domestic use?

If so, there must be a load of empty EV shells somewhere. Let's hoard them along with a barn full of smoky old Astramax diesel engines.

Hang on - I've got an idea ...

Good engine them….

TT

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by The Thong

And yet Norway is making a success of it. One of the coldest, wet countries with lots of remote areas and EV’s are selling like hot cakes. Why? They’ve taken a sensible approach which benefits not only the government but the users too. Put in a winners all round solution in the mix and there’s a good chance it’ll work.

https://alternative-fuels-observator...inable-example

Anyone seen that Mguy chap on Instagram? He’s very very anti-EV and preaches daily on social media.

https://youtu.be/iE8AmkQRhlg?si=N46ycbVjGFP09dbZ

Wonder who he’s being funded by?

TT

The oil revenues Norway receives definitely helps that. They have the money and invest it wisely. Our Government throws it down the toilet.

[The Thong]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

The oil revenues Norway receives definitely helps that. They have the money and invest it wisely. Our Government throws it down the toilet.

Fair point…. Or finance other people’s wars. But…. It proves it can be done if they’re prepared to do it properly

TT

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by The Thong

Fair point…. Or finance other people’s wars. But…. It proves it can be done if they’re prepared to do it properly

TT

It can be done, just not by 2035. Not with the clowns we have in now anyway, or the ones that will follow. Unless there's major "pushes" in the next few years, it ain't happening.

"Pushes" as in mass rollout of charging stations, more investment into EV tech that will lead to better range in cars, incentives for people to buy EV's like some kind of scrappage scheme (dare I say that) and affordable EV's. If the manufacturer's are at the receiving end of spiraling costs, that's passed onto the consumer. The costs have to come down for them to make them cheaper to buy for us. There's a lot of factors that have to be considered... I just can't see how they'll do all that in 11 years.

The climate agenda has gone stale. People aren't buying into it. Manufacturer's have stopped EV production and its likely that more will follow. If the manufacturer's stop, there definitely won't be any EV's! Well, not new ones anyway.

[Moose Test]

Not to disagree with much of what has been said already but in my opinion, a fair amount of blame for the lack of progress sits with the manufactures.

If we consider the predominant player (at least in NA and Europe), it would much rather mess around with vanity projects like autonomous driving systems and that awful dumpster fire which is the Cybertruck than attempt to address the real needs of the market at large.

What's needed from them in order to make this happen is a return to the "Volk Wagen" and Ford-ism philosophies. There's absolutely no need to conflate sophisticated self-drive systems, which are still decades out if for no other reason than the need for legislation and regulation to catch up, with the need to provide electric drive trains whilst forcing all of the development and manufacturing cost onto the consumer.

[foggyjames]

Originally Posted by Thekilt

If you go up to a ski resort from the bottom, and regen back down again most of the time you dont actually use any energy as all the electricity used getting up is recovered coming down.

Hang on just a moment...you appear to have just invented perpetual motion!

You might recover quite a bit (I don't know...maybe 50%?), but absolutely not all. The motor is not 100% efficient, and there's various forms of drag to consider.

cheers

James

[Whippy]

Originally Posted by Moose Test

Not to disagree with much of what has been said already but in my opinion, a fair amount of blame for the lack of progress sits with the manufactures.

If we consider the predominant player (at least in NA and Europe), it would much rather mess around with vanity projects like autonomous driving systems and that awful dumpster fire which is the Cybertruck than attempt to address the real needs of the market at large.

What's needed from them in order to make this happen is a return to the "Volk Wagen" and Ford-ism philosophies. There's absolutely no need to conflate sophisticated self-drive systems, which are still decades out if for no other reason than the need for legislation and regulation to catch up, with the need to provide electric drive trains whilst forcing all of the development and manufacturing cost onto the consumer.

And who inflicted great big touch screens stuck on the dash board? Melon Husk. That's who.

[Kev0607]

Bum flickering times for Tesla at the moment. Maybe in future Tesla will be no more?

[Moose Test]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Bum flickering times for Tesla at the moment. Maybe in future Tesla will be no more?

Difficult to say. Two quarter's downturn isn't unheard of for any manufacturer and certainly doesn't spell an imminent demise. However, I think its future fortunes are probably as variable as its founder is capricious. Like some of his other ventures, it's not nearly so much a well-run business with responsibilities to stakeholders, shareholders and employees alike as it is a temple to the self-professed genius of one vainglorious man.

In an alternative universe, there's a Tesla which focused its efforts on the development of leading-edge motor, battery and charging technologies for the automotive industry, to which it was a supplier. Maybe producing just one or two 'concept' lines akin to Polestar, as a platform demonstration, whilst leaving the automotive industry to get on with supplying electric vehicles to the masses based on its decades of market experience.

[Whippy]

Originally Posted by Moose Test

Difficult to say. Two quarter's downturn isn't unheard of for any manufacturer and certainly doesn't spell an imminent demise. However, I think its future fortunes are probably as variable as its founder is capricious. Like some of his other ventures, it's not nearly so much a well-run business with responsibilities to stakeholders, shareholders and employees alike as it is a temple to the self-professed genius of one vainglorious man.

In an alternative universe, there's a Tesla which focused its efforts on the development of leading-edge motor, battery and charging technologies for the automotive industry, to which it was a supplier. Maybe producing just one or two 'concept' lines akin to Polestar, as a platform demonstration, whilst leaving the automotive industry to get on with supplying electric vehicles to the masses based on its decades of market experience.

Yeah, but, we all know there's people out there with more money than sense on both sides of that there pond. Tesla will survive.