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Ulez extension in LONDON - S60 Petrol- Not Compliant.

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Old Aug 3rd, 2021, 18:14   #21
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I live just north of the CC zone and really have no need to drive into it. If we want to go to the west end it's far more sensible to get the tube or bus. This is not the great hardship you think it is. If the tube or bus or taxis or legs didn't exist you have a point.

A £15 charge on vehicles making multiple drops in the west end or city is not the end of the world either. It just seems that way to folk up north I guess.

Not exactly, as the ULEZ is coming up north too. It may not seem the end of the world, but £15 a day to drive a single vehicle into the city is ridiculous. What about those that have fleets of vans working in the city? It may not seem much to an individual, but to a business, its an awful lot.

ULEZ is different as it's aimed at getting older polluting vehicles off the roads and mainly hits diesels as even our 16 year petrol Volvo is compliant. No one can argue against curbing pollution.
It wasn’t long ago the Government were promoting diesels, offering contributions to buy them even. Now they’re too dirty & need to be taken off the road (pre euro 6 anyway).

I’m all for curbing pollution… it should have been done a long time ago. Its the charges I don’t agree with. Owning a car is expensive enough, now its going to be even dearer. I suppose its their way of getting people onto buses etc.
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You think so?

So if you don’t own a compliant car or don’t wish to pay congestion charges, your only option is use public transport, cycle or walk. If you do own a complaint car, you don’t have to pay a ULEZ fee, but have to pay a congestion charge like everyone else (providing you aren’t a taxi, blue badge holder). So how is it not forced upon you? Same as if you have to trade your car in for a newer model, whether it be a hybrid or electric model. Its costing you money, no matter which way you look at it.

Guaranteed ticket prices/fares will go up, so the charges will be paid for somehow (by the person getting on the bus, train etc), or the people paying the congestion charge.

Its going to cost companies money to keep vehicles that travel frequently in the city, such as wagons delivering goods on the road. Do you think the companies are going to take that cost upon themselves, up on top of what they already have to pay in terms of large fuel bills, insurance etc? No, the consumer will pay for it.

What about planes, probably the biggest polluters? Are we going to ground them, or make electric ones?
No one is forcing anyone to drive at all. Indeed, there's a fair argument to suggest that a heavily populated urban area is the very last place that any able bodied person should drive a car for social, safety, economic and public health reasons.

Considering the safety, economic, public health and pollution costs for which cars are responsible they really are far too cheap. Anything else causing such pollution and death would have been legislated out of existence decades ago - car drivers have really had itnquite good, and in return they have abused the privilege to a criminally breathtaking degree.

The average journey by car in Greater Manchester is now..wait for it...under 1 kilometer in length, a 10 minute walk. That is how utterly preposterous this unfettered, lazy and frivolous private car usage has become. People can moan all they want, but there are alternatives for people who aren't lazy and who would rather not make excuses.

The great British driving public have done it to themselves. A little bit of thought and circumspection by drivers over recent decades would have avoided this, but your typical car driver was never going to do so because that smacks of effort. It's incredible how much effort people suddenly put into complaining though...

We are now all beginning to reap that which the majority of us ourselves have sown.
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No one is forcing anyone to drive at all. Indeed, there's a fair argument to suggest that a heavily populated urban area is the very last place that any able bodied person should drive a car for social, safety, economic and public health reasons.

Considering the safety, economic, public health and pollution costs for which cars are responsible they really are far too cheap. Anything else causing such pollution and death would have been legislated out of existence decades ago - car drivers have really had itnquite good, and in return they have abused the privilege to a criminally breathtaking degree.

The average journey by car in Greater Manchester is now..wait for it...under 1 kilometer in length, a 10 minute walk. That is how utterly preposterous this unfettered, lazy and frivolous private car usage has become. People can moan all they want, but there are alternatives for people who aren't lazy and who would rather not make excuses.

The great British driving public have done it to themselves. A little bit of thought and circumspection by drivers over recent decades would have avoided this, but your typical car driver was never going to do so because that smacks of effort. It's incredible how much effort people suddenly put into complaining though...

We are now all beginning to reap that which the majority of us ourselves have sown.
… & what they (The Government) allowed. I didn’t hear the Government ever say “Oh, there’s too many cars on the road now”. Why? Road Tax.

Now they’ve introduced a congestion charge to limit car usage, but they lined their pockets first with the congestion charge. So congestion charges and ULEZ charges (if applicable), plus road tax.

Tell me this new scheme is purely about emissions & you’re living in cuckoo land.
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At the risk of making myself unpopular....If you can't get public transport in London then you can't anywhere. The country is Londoncentric; the rest of us would struggle very badly. I live on a main feeder road into Lincoln and the bus service is pretty poor.
If I could take the bus/ train/ tram/ whatever I would.....
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At the risk of making myself unpopular....If you can't get public transport in London then you can't anywhere. The country is Londoncentric; the rest of us would struggle very badly. I live on a main feeder road into Lincoln and the bus service is pretty poor.
If I could take the bus/ train/ tram/ whatever I would.....
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Exactly. Not everywhere has the transport facilities that London has. Even if they were developed, it would take many many years.

Keep London happy & nothing else matters.
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I live in the village in the back end of nowhere, woth no bus service, no railway, not much of anything, and despite being in my early 60's still cycle the 18 mile round trip into town and back.

It's sad to see people still trotting out excuses instead of taking action, exactly the behaviour that brought the current situation about.
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I live in the village in the back end of nowhere, woth no bus service, no railway, not much of anything, and despite being in my early 60's still cycle the 18 mile round trip into town and back.

It's sad to see people still trotting out excuses instead of taking action, exactly the behaviour that brought the current situation about.
Not to sound rude, as its not intended.

Its commendable that you cycle, fair play to you. That’s a long distance & I’m sure it keeps you or anyone fit for that matter.

I notice that you have two XC90 jeeps, both of which are diesel & you’re talking about people not taking action?

Yes, you cycle (fair play), but still own two big diesel fuel guzzlers. So what’s your thoughts on having to pay emission charges for these cars, assuming they aren’t ULEZ compliant? Or do you not go to a city/outskirts of at all?

Once again, I reiterate that I’m not intending to sound rude here.
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You may have heard Kev that all new fossil fuel cars will be banned in 2030, hybrids by 2035.

Congestion and pollution owing to tyre particles will still of course be issues.
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You may have heard Kev that all new fossil fuel cars will be banned in 2030, hybrids by 2035.

Congestion and pollution owing to tyre particles will still of course be issues.
I knew about petrol & diesel ones, but wasn’t sure when hybrid production was stopping. Thanks for clarifying that.
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The congestion charge is a form of road pricing, which is one of way of controlling demand for a scarce resource, but in the city also has other benefits such as cutting pollution and making the environment safer and more pleasant.

Pricing is widely used as a demand-side control measure in for example public health in taxes on tobacco.
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