JWS 3309 ATF Fluid

barrybritcher · May 29th, 2019, 12:04

is this a rubbish spec fluid?

Density: 850 kg/m³
Lowest flow point -54 °C (104°F)
Viscosity at +40 °C: 40.0 mm² /s
Viscosity at +100 °C: 7.5 mm² /s
(volvo fluid)

Versus

834kg/m3
-46
28.30
5.8
(CHEAP JWS 3309)

AndyV7o · May 29th, 2019, 14:25

Its hard to say just going on figures, but it doesnt look a good brew...
Im not sure if/how viscosity may affect an auto box, but there us a marked difference there in viscosity and density, plus for a thinner fluid the cold pour is higher, suggesting a poorer viscosity index/base oil/polymers.
Just looking at these two alone, it would put me off, but then it would be better to have specs from a range of fluids to gain more insight and get a more typified set of figures.

barrybritcher · May 29th, 2019, 14:30

yea I should have looked at it more closely before buying. I've currently got Millers in there which is very close in spec to Volvo.

This stuff just looks too cheap to be true. it's about 25% off spec. How can it still be labelled as 3309? what makes it 3309 fluid?

barrybritcher · May 29th, 2019, 14:33

millers vs volvo:

Density: 850 kg/m³
Lowest flow point -54 °C (104°F)
Viscosity at +40 °C: 40.0 mm² /s
Viscosity at +100 °C: 7.5 mm² /s
(volvo fluid)

848
-42
35.0
7.4

(millermatic SP III)

AndyV7o · May 29th, 2019, 14:52

Is it Jws3309 or 'meets'/'suitable for'/'performance profile' etc?

barrybritcher · May 29th, 2019, 15:00

https://pemco.de/en/fluid/gear-and-t...ic-450-atf-jws

AndyV7o · May 29th, 2019, 15:13

'Corresponds with' not encountered that one before! 😁😆

Bonefishblues · May 29th, 2019, 20:12

Why not ask Opie if they can lay hands on the spec range allowed for JWS 3309? And who makes the rules, as it were?

Georgeandkira · May 30th, 2019, 00:25

Go to www.bobistheoilguy.com and post this in their transmission fluid section.

Many of those blokes are quite helpful. Someone will provide Toyota T-IV specs and perhaps others.

The 4 or 5 different fluids I've used in our transmissions (No. American so I won't list 'em here) have been just fine but I've never compared the specifications side-by-side.

Retail shop or online purchase? Return the stuff if economical to do so.

R-P · May 30th, 2019, 18:40

I did some searching to see if the Type IV I put in there from Toyota is indeed comparable, but so far the only info I found was a similar product with non SI values (WTF is "cSt" ??? Sometimes those Yanks and their reluctance to adopt things the rest of the world is in agreement upon, really **** me off...).

May 29th, 2019, 12:04	#1
barrybritcher Flaccid Member Last Online: Apr 15th, 2024 16:09 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norwich	JWS 3309 ATF Fluid is this a rubbish spec fluid? Density: 850 kg/m³ Lowest flow point -54 °C (104°F) Viscosity at +40 °C: 40.0 mm² /s Viscosity at +100 °C: 7.5 mm² /s (volvo fluid) Versus 834kg/m3 -46 28.30 5.8 (CHEAP JWS 3309) __________________ 2001 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.3 Geartronic (Scrapped) 2007 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.4 Geartronic (Sold) 2008 Volvo V70 D5 SE Sport Geartronic (Current)

May 29th, 2019, 14:30	#3
barrybritcher Flaccid Member Last Online: Apr 15th, 2024 16:09 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norwich	yea I should have looked at it more closely before buying. I've currently got Millers in there which is very close in spec to Volvo. This stuff just looks too cheap to be true. it's about 25% off spec. How can it still be labelled as 3309? what makes it 3309 fluid? __________________ 2001 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.3 Geartronic (Scrapped) 2007 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.4 Geartronic (Sold) 2008 Volvo V70 D5 SE Sport Geartronic (Current)

May 29th, 2019, 14:33	#4
barrybritcher Flaccid Member Last Online: Apr 15th, 2024 16:09 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norwich	millers vs volvo: Density: 850 kg/m³ Lowest flow point -54 °C (104°F) Viscosity at +40 °C: 40.0 mm² /s Viscosity at +100 °C: 7.5 mm² /s (volvo fluid) 848 -42 35.0 7.4 (millermatic SP III) __________________ 2001 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.3 Geartronic (Scrapped) 2007 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.4 Geartronic (Sold) 2008 Volvo V70 D5 SE Sport Geartronic (Current)

May 29th, 2019, 15:00	#6
barrybritcher Flaccid Member Last Online: Apr 15th, 2024 16:09 Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Norwich	https://pemco.de/en/fluid/gear-and-t...ic-450-atf-jws __________________ 2001 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.3 Geartronic (Scrapped) 2007 Volvo S60 T5 SE 2.4 Geartronic (Sold) 2008 Volvo V70 D5 SE Sport Geartronic (Current)

May 30th, 2019, 18:40	#10
R-P Master Member Last Online: Mar 26th, 2024 14:00 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rozenburg NL	I did some searching to see if the Type IV I put in there from Toyota is indeed comparable, but so far the only info I found was a similar product with non SI values (WTF is "cSt" ??? Sometimes those Yanks and their reluctance to adopt things the rest of the world is in agreement upon, really **** me off...). __________________ Ex police Jan '04 V70 D5 AWD geartronic, and I've got the antenna-holes to prove it.

May 29th, 2019, 14:25	#2
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	Its hard to say just going on figures, but it doesnt look a good brew... Im not sure if/how viscosity may affect an auto box, but there us a marked difference there in viscosity and density, plus for a thinner fluid the cold pour is higher, suggesting a poorer viscosity index/base oil/polymers. Just looking at these two alone, it would put me off, but then it would be better to have specs from a range of fluids to gain more insight and get a more typified set of figures.

May 29th, 2019, 14:52	#5
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	Is it Jws3309 or 'meets'/'suitable for'/'performance profile' etc?

May 29th, 2019, 15:13	#7
AndyV7o Premier Member Last Online: Jun 21st, 2021 20:47 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Creswell	'Corresponds with' not encountered that one before! 😁😆

May 29th, 2019, 20:12	#8
Bonefishblues Premier Member Last Online: Today 12:12 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Near Bicester, Oxon	Why not ask Opie if they can lay hands on the spec range allowed for JWS 3309? And who makes the rules, as it were?

May 30th, 2019, 00:25	#9
Georgeandkira Premier Member Last Online: Apr 27th, 2024 13:23 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hackensack	Go to www.bobistheoilguy.com and post this in their transmission fluid section. Many of those blokes are quite helpful. Someone will provide Toyota T-IV specs and perhaps others. The 4 or 5 different fluids I've used in our transmissions (No. American so I won't list 'em here) have been just fine but I've never compared the specifications side-by-side. Retail shop or online purchase? Return the stuff if economical to do so.

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