New Facelift and engines announced plus 6 seat XC90!

[Wizzpop]

Originally Posted by anotherv60

It is possible to sell less products and have the better product...sales volumes don't in themselves mean they are better products. Admittedly I think the general population see Audi as a premium brand, and while I consider Volvo to be in the same league, I'm sure there are many people who have never ventured into a Volvo before.

Rolls Royce and Bentley come to mind.

[Emarcon]

Originally Posted by Wizzpop

Rolls Royce and Bentley come to mind.

Yeah but we are talking about Volvo and Audi, they are direct competitors.

[Ringthane]

Originally Posted by anotherv60
It is possible to sell less products and have the better product...sales volumes don't in themselves mean they are better products. Admittedly I think the general population see Audi as a premium brand, and while I consider Volvo to be in the same league, I'm sure there are many people who have never ventured into a Volvo before.


Lets hope it stays that way.

When every car on my street is either an Audi or a Mercedes, I quite like the fact that I’m driving something every bit as good, if not better, but more importantly, not an Audi.

[Haldex]

Originally Posted by Emarcon

The point is Audi sell more cars becasuse they make better products

I'm not gonna argue your highly subjective opinion. I have swedespeed for that

[jonnyu]

Originally Posted by Emarcon

The point is Audi sell more cars becasuse they make better products, but who cares about that?

They did. Past. They fell off the wagon in 2015.
Emission scandals, their products dont seem to innovate a lot both in design and in active technology. If you get yourself dazzled by the colorful dashboard and fancy animations then yes Audi is suberb.

In terms of active safety features, I dont see Audi innovating in anything. They copy it, yes but innovate? no.

Now they gave a big step with the Audi e-tron but still there is no major design advancements in Audi.
With rare exceptions like the Q2, all the cars look basically the same. All the cars look basically the same as their previous generation, Ex Q5. It's soooo boring. So why do you chose an Audi?

-Fun to drive? maybe but BMW much more fun to drive so Audi is not king in this department.
So what else?

-Durability? Maybe, Mercedes is the king in this department. My Audi A3 from 2007 still feels brand new but in terms of resale price? the same as any other car of this segment except if you compare it with a Mercedes so no advantage here.

What else?
-internal comfort? naaah that goes to Volvo.
-Security? Volvo
-Mileage? Mercedes
-Customer service? by far, in another galaxy Mercedes and Volvo. Audi is like way out of their league in terms of customer service.

So what else?

-Status? According to the main masses that belongs to BMW and Mercedes not Audi.

So what other arguments are there to say that Audi makes better products than Volvo? 0

Volvo makes better some things, Audi others. Audi superior to Volvo in all the aspects? not in a million years.

[Quacker]

Not sure why this bother anyone. I just buy the car that suits me at the time and for what purpose. Just as happy to buy a Fiat as a Volvo, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Nissan, Toyota, Isuzu, Subaru, Ford, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen, Land and Range Rover, Jaguar, Vauxhall. All of them make perfectly good vehicles that meet all safety requirements of their time. Some innovate more than others but the others always soon catch up.
I've owned all those brands, some of them in several models at the same time and/or spread out over the years and I've been happy with all of them apart from a BMW and a MG, the MG going back to 1984.

The badge on the front does not mean a thing to me. It's what a car does and how and whether its style pleases my eye that matters [to me]. I was as happy driving around locally in the Fiat Panda as I was in the Range Rovers. As happy in the 20 year old Toyota as in my current Volvo [apart from the fuel consumption and lack of performance] I love the diversity in the way these things drive and in the conditions for which they are best suited.

The same applies to my hobby, which is photography. I am not wedded to a brand or system or sensor size and have cameras from Nikon, Sony, Panasonic and Olympus, plus a Fuji and Apple phone. Love them all, with all their respective limitations and characteristics. One innovates one week then another innovates the next.

[Deman77]

Sorry to intrude. Does anyone have experience with kers boosted engines we will see in facelifted cars? Could it finally be electric like low speed smoothness and pick up without the huge weight penalty and lifeless breaks of T8?

[Director76]

Originally Posted by Deman77

Sorry to intrude. Does anyone have experience with kers boosted engines we will see in facelifted cars? Could it finally be electric like low speed smoothness and pick up without the huge weight penalty and lifeless breaks of T8?

I just don’t get the criticism of the T8 brakes in the media and sometimes on this forum.

For starters in normal ‘non urgent’ use I only use the brake pedal to pull to a final stop - ‘B’ does everything I need.

Aside from that I can’t say I’ve ever noticed any lack of feel or progressiveness in the brake pedal, when required it stops beautifully...I know I’m kind to brakes, so maybe the issue is for the on-off-jab-the-brakes driver!

[Deman77]

I’ve had two generations of Priuses and an i3 now - all with regent breaks - i3 I can drive like a sports car under 50 without ever touching breaks, but when you miss breaking point or something unexpected causes for actual break input it’s always disconcerting and you notice the breaks are not quite right. I really notice properly weighted progressive breaks when I get into my D5.

[anotherv60]

Some insights into the future full EVs launching from Volvo here from the polestar 2 launch video, think apple / Tesla product launch!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kVg5ycWTAhQ

I am so tempted to order one of these!