Engine: D5244: Camshaft confusion

[jjkenya]

So - the replacement engine is already fitted. The options I have are:

1. Change the engine out again to the correct one (a T4) (approx £1500 labour)
2. Replace the camshafts in the already fitted "replacement engine" (approx £400 labour)

There is already:
- £400 labour bill for the diagnostics required to satisfy the warranty company
- £400 labour bill for the troubleshooting of why they engine wouldn't start
- £1300 labour bill for swapping out the original and replacement engines

What would you do? Anything and everything welcome, I am completely frustrated right now. What SHOULD happen is option 1, and the bill for swapping the engine and troubleshooting the cams goes to the breaker... or am I living on Mars?

[cheshired5]

Seeing as you're not the expert in all this, I would be starting by establishing exactly who ordered what engine code and whether the breaker supplied exactly what was ordered.

From there, it will be clear who is responsible and therefore possibly liable for the so far unnecessary and wasted labour costs.

The garage has a lot of questions to answer regardless because they've either ordered the wrong engine or they've ordered it correctly but not established that they received what they ordered.

[jjkenya]

I ordered the engine having asked the breaker to check it was the right one. They checked twice. The garage openly said they wouldn't order it as they couldn't be responsible.

I have spoken to the breaker. They are not willing to accept any of the labour charges and said they are happy to take the engine back but that is all.

My only remaining feasible option is:
- replace the camshaft(s)
- pay the extra labour for that
- pay the troubleshooting labour and move on

The breaker was adamant the supplied engine was a T4 engine; they also checked another T4 in their yard and says it has the same camshaft. He has never heard of a T3 engine (apparently) and said I need to speak to Volvo about where this camshaft came from.

http://www.volvohowto.com/volvo-xc90...ear-2003-2014/

If I was allowed to swear a lot I would.

[wimorrison]

Unless you can prove that you ordered a T4 engine the breakers will simply stonewall you saying that they provided a Volvo D5 engine for the year of your car and unfortunately they are correct.

It is hard to say this but I fear a relatively simple mistake could cost you dear, even if you elect to only change the camshaft. You will need to know what other differences exist between the T4 you had and the T3 you now have to fully understand any other implications that there may be for your car they have different designations for a reason.

Once you know the full cost to get the current replacement running you can then make a call on whether it is more effective to get the correct engine or rework this engine.

There is also the final aspect which is what warranty has the breaker provided on any of the engines, will they run correctly or not? I know of one car where I replaced the engine with one from a breaker where the 'new' engine ran worse than the old engine and to get a satisfactory engine I had to cannibalise both engines to get a good engine for that car. The breaker had apparently stated that the engine ran ok when it was driven into the yard - and that was impossible to dilute.

I do feel sorry for you as you have tried to everything correctly and been thwarted by circumstances at every move of the dice.

[cheshired5]

Originally Posted by jjkenya

The breaker was adamant the supplied engine was a T4 engine[/url]

The simple solution here is to ask the breaker how they established that what they sent was definitely a T4 and ask the garage how they've established that what they've received is definitely a T3.

The engine is unlikely to have shapeshifted in transit.

[jjkenya]

Originally Posted by cheshired5

The simple solution here is to ask the breaker how they established that what they sent was definitely a T4 and ask the garage how they've established that what they've received is definitely a T3.

The engine is unlikely to have shapeshifted in transit.

The URL below has no mention of a T3... so yes I agree, and I have asked the garage to send me a photo of where it says that on the engine cover.
If it does say T3, then yes it's the wrong engine but no I have no proof that i asked for a T4 other than my word on the phone asking twice to check.

http://www.volvohowto.com/volvo-xc90...ear-2003-2014/

The whole thing is a complete joke, to say I'm incensed is pretty understated.

[IainG]

Hi

The URL below has no mention of a T3.

Surely it does mention one in the previous link
given by wimorrison, although is a different vehicle.
so could infer the engine is from another platform?

Diesel Engines

– Volvo V70 2.5D 140 hp D5252T MSA1.8, made / sold in 2000 and 2001
– Volvo V70 D5 163 hp D5244T, made / sold in 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006
– Volvo V70 2.4D 130 hp D5244T2, made / sold in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006
– Volvo V70 D5 185 hp D5244T3, made / sold in 2003, 2004 and 2005
– Volvo V70 D5 185 hp D5244T4, made / sold in 2005, 2006 and 2007
– Volvo V70 2.4D 163 hp D5244T5, made / sold in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008
– Volvo V70 2.4D 122 hp D5244T6, made / sold in 2005, 2006
– Volvo V70 2.4D 126 hp D5244T7, made / sold in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2008

Iain

[Scooser]

I'm hoping when you bought the replacement engine you got a receipt which detailed in writing the exact model of the engine you where buying.

If you have and the breakers supplied a different engine then you are in good shape.

However, if it's all a bit vague with little of the engine technical detail written down in transmittals or receipts then it sounds a difficult situation.

First thing is get you paperwork in order. That is what you are going to rely on. What a rotten time you've had. I feel for you, I really do

[cheshired5]

Originally Posted by jjkenya

I have no proof that i asked for a T4 other than my word on the phone asking twice to check.

You kind of have proof because the breaker is insistent that that's what he sent.
He wouldn't be insistent on it being a T4 if being a T4 wasn't a factor.

Perhaps record your next conversation with him......

[jjkenya]

Originally Posted by IainG

so could infer the engine is from another platform?

I don't really know what that means, is it normal to use a V70 engine in an XC90?

I've asked the garage for "proof" of paper work/delivery note and also a photo of the T3 label... However having spoken to the breaker today, they won't go near the labour cost so even if it is the wrong engine, dropping it and replacing it with a new one is going to be £1500 more.

The only place I would say I can go is the small claims court... but, really!?