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classicswede · Jul 18th, 2017, 00:14

We have started using GAZ shocks with adjusters for both bump and rebound on 240's that are running stiff rear springs. They can be built for the amazon but the price is rather on the high side

mocambique-amazone · Jul 18th, 2017, 14:50

Cars with living axle work better with soft springs. Soft as possible without diving the rear in the corners. The 940/960 run much better with niveaumat/ level shocks for that reason. The springs are softer than with standart shocks. On a road car you need different loads, the result is a difficult to handle rear end. Only on a flat race track the car get better with harder springs. Progressive are the one and only, still not enough. Because nobody of us likes to change the spring when the weight changes we stay with a compromise.
Shocks has to be matched to the springs, I think the bigger part of this community is not able to find the right bump and rebound adjustment.
Additionaly a living axle prefers long travel, no poly and no arb!
The Amazon, the P1800 and the 140/164 get a advanced by the right arb's. Even more than by harder springs and schocks. Lowering the Amazon/ P1800 more than 1" doesn't gove you a faster car outside of a racetrack. You need stupid stiff springs and arb to match the more worse now axle of roll.
It is easy to get a Amazon, P1800 and 140/164 look stunning. To get it properly in handling AND comfort is astonishing difficult.
This cars are designed in the 50/60 and are in a different world than new cars.

Good luck, regards Kay

northNH · Jul 19th, 2017, 01:26

I do not believe, based on physics and personal experience, that given the quite unequal F/R weight distribution of these cars (in fact virtually any/all live axle RWD cast-iron engined cars) that it is possible to alter the original suspension setup by replacing shocks, springs, bushings, ASBs, etc, and NOT see a significant handling/stability improvement thereafter by adding weight between the rear wheels.
Both sedan and wagon designed to comfortably carry more dogs than most of you do...

Jul 18th, 2017, 00:14	#11
classicswede Trader Volvo in my veins Last Online: Apr 26th, 2024 23:53 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Anglesey	We have started using GAZ shocks with adjusters for both bump and rebound on 240's that are running stiff rear springs. They can be built for the amazon but the price is rather on the high side __________________ http://www.classicswede.org www.classicswede.co.uk

Jul 19th, 2017, 01:26	#13
northNH Senior Member Last Online: Yesterday 00:35 Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: New Hampshire USA	I do not believe, based on physics and personal experience, that given the quite unequal F/R weight distribution of these cars (in fact virtually any/all live axle RWD cast-iron engined cars) that it is possible to alter the original suspension setup by replacing shocks, springs, bushings, ASBs, etc, and NOT see a significant handling/stability improvement thereafter by adding weight between the rear wheels. Both sedan and wagon designed to comfortably carry more dogs than most of you do... __________________ '62 Amazon Black/Red 4Dr 65K miles '92 MBz 300CE 2Dr '94 MBz 320TE 5Dr '86 BMW 635Csi '88 BMW M6

Jul 18th, 2017, 14:50	#12
mocambique-amazone Master Member Last Online: Jan 24th, 2022 17:08 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: small village in the north of Germany	Cars with living axle work better with soft springs. Soft as possible without diving the rear in the corners. The 940/960 run much better with niveaumat/ level shocks for that reason. The springs are softer than with standart shocks. On a road car you need different loads, the result is a difficult to handle rear end. Only on a flat race track the car get better with harder springs. Progressive are the one and only, still not enough. Because nobody of us likes to change the spring when the weight changes we stay with a compromise. Shocks has to be matched to the springs, I think the bigger part of this community is not able to find the right bump and rebound adjustment. Additionaly a living axle prefers long travel, no poly and no arb! The Amazon, the P1800 and the 140/164 get a advanced by the right arb's. Even more than by harder springs and schocks. Lowering the Amazon/ P1800 more than 1" doesn't gove you a faster car outside of a racetrack. You need stupid stiff springs and arb to match the more worse now axle of roll. It is easy to get a Amazon, P1800 and 140/164 look stunning. To get it properly in handling AND comfort is astonishing difficult. This cars are designed in the 50/60 and are in a different world than new cars. Good luck, regards Kay

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