Buying XC70 (185hp vs 202hp)

[Kev0607]

So basically, the 205bhp engine is a new design in comparison to the older models (As I said previously).

[eternal optimist]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

So basically, the 205bhp engine is a new design in comparison to the older models (As I said previously).

By that argument, the A series engines that were all developments of the same basic block design between the Austin A30 in 1951 and the last Mini in 2000 and the B series engines, again, all derivations of the same basic block design built between 1953 and 1986 were not the same basic engines either.

That’s the same as saying a pre facelift P3 V70 is a different model car to a post facelift P3 V70 isn’t it?

[apersson850]

These engines are clearly not "new designs" all of them. They are subject to traditional product refinement. New injectors, new turbos etc. There are also numerous minor variations, like adaptions for manual or automatic gearboxes.

A new engine design is like when the four cylinder B230 red-block engine series were replaced by the 5-cylinder B52xx white-block models. They had nothing in common.

This engine is available in some 15 versions or so.

[Olaf Els]

Volvo UK's press release for the D5244T10 (205) described it as a new engine and went on to state:

"Our brief was to develop a modern performance diesel engine that meets the Euro 5 standard," says Derek Crabb, Vice President, Powertrain Engineering. "The previous engine has undergone constant development but has now reached the end of its potential. We therefore decided to start with a clean sheet of paper and harness the advanced technology which we have access to today. The result is even better than we dared hope. What is more, this engine has been developed entirely in-house at Volvo."

If it really was a clean sheet of paper the development team started with, how odd that the outcome should be an engine of the same configuration, bore, stroke, and displacement as its predecessor.


Reference: https://www.media.volvocars.com/uk/e...releases/18417

[Bonefishblues]

Originally Posted by Olaf Els

Volvo UK's press release for the D5244T10 (205) described it as a new engine and went on to state:

"Our brief was to develop a modern performance diesel engine that meets the Euro 5 standard," says Derek Crabb, Vice President, Powertrain Engineering. "The previous engine has undergone constant development but has now reached the end of its potential. We therefore decided to start with a clean sheet of paper and harness the advanced technology which we have access to today. The result is even better than we dared hope. What is more, this engine has been developed entirely in-house at Volvo."

If it really was a clean sheet of paper the development team started with, how odd that the outcome should be an engine of the same configuration, bore, stroke, and displacement as its predecessor.


Reference: https://www.media.volvocars.com/uk/e...releases/18417

In the words of a young lady in the 1960s

Well they would say that wouldn't they.

[Tannaton]

Just this morning I passed one of the "all new" Audi A4 avant models (20-plate) and it has exactly the same side profile as the 2008 MY one I had as a company car.... but then again VAG have always been masters of badge engineering.

This may help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_D5_engine

[Olaf Els]

Originally Posted by Tannaton

This may help:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_D5_engine

I also thought it would help. That's why I posted it yesterday.

[Tannaton]

Originally Posted by Olaf Els

I also thought it would help. That's why I posted it yesterday.

So you did.... I should have gone back a page first!

Great minds think alike etc.

[Kev0607]

Originally Posted by eternal optimist

By that argument, the A series engines that were all developments of the same basic block design between the Austin A30 in 1951 and the last Mini in 2000 and the B series engines, again, all derivations of the same basic block design built between 1953 and 1986 were not the same basic engines either.

That’s the same as saying a pre facelift P3 V70 is a different model car to a post facelift P3 V70 isn’t it?

Yes, it would be the same as saying its a different model car because it is. A pre facelift V70 would be a P2 (Which is similar to a P3 in terms of block design, but different in many other ways).

[eternal optimist]

Originally Posted by Kev0607

Yes, it would be the same as saying its a different model car because it is. A pre facelift V70 would be a P2 (Which is similar to a P3 in terms of block design, but different in many other ways).

No. The P3 had at least three facelifts. The P2 has two.

The P3 was not a face lifted P2, it was built on a completely different platform. It did have the D5 engine though...