|
200 Series General Forum for the Volvo 240 and 260 cars |
Information |
|
New (to me) 1980 Volvo 244Views : 2026782 Replies : 4092Users Viewing This Thread : |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
Aug 31st, 2020, 06:24 | #1661 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:17
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
Alan |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Othen For This Useful Post: |
Aug 31st, 2020, 08:03 | #1662 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:08
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
|
Quote:
Of course it could be used for a complete new sill to replicate the spot welds originally used and likewise for similar panels. What about the pressure needed to operate the tool? Is it fairly easy in terms of effort so that if making a longer panel, you wouldn't be suffering cramp three hours after using it?
__________________
Cheers Dave Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........ |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post: |
Aug 31st, 2020, 18:19 | #1663 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:17
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
I was thinking specifically that if I had to replace the rear wheel arch inner and outer with pressed repair panels in 5-10 years time I could joddle the edge under the existing panel back to a cut line, then punch and plug weld it so it looked like a spot welded seam - but of course I'd be able to do all the work from the outside (unlike with a real spot welder). I could also plug weld the two layers together along the wheel arch lip so it looked like the spot welded item from the factory. None of the metal there is structural, it just keeps the weather out, so I don't think that would be an issue for the MoT (even if the RB was liable for a MoT test) - and I think would be a neat and strong way of doing the work. Maybe I'll never need to do this anyway if my patches have been effective (we'll find out in a few years), I'm just thinking ahead and making a contingency plan in my head. You are right about replacing a sill panel - plug welds would be a really neat way of achieving the right effect. Depending on the sheet thickness the joddler does need a pretty firm grip to create the seam or punch a hole. If one was going to do a long seam (like perhaps a whole sill) it might be better to get a pneumatic joddler tool. Fot the small patch I used on the outside (about 2.5"x1" I should think) it worked fine. Alan Last edited by Othen; Aug 31st, 2020 at 18:21. Reason: Grammar. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Othen For This Useful Post: |
Aug 31st, 2020, 22:07 | #1664 |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:08
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
|
All useful info there Alan, thanks!
Just an idea for the joddler, not having seen it but an old dodge used by sheet-metal workers rearranged for joddling. Couple of lengths of heavy duty tubing, one over the "fixed handle, the other over the "moving" handle of the joddler. Put the fixed one in a vice (or securely fixed Workmate) and then use the extra leverage to use the joddler easily without having to develop a grip like a miser on a fiver. Should make life much easier! Especially for the hole punch function! Sorry for the delay in replying, been sat in the shed flying the lathe to start producing a set of 6 LPG injection nozzle adaptors for my beast! Got to take it a bit easy as the lathe is 77 years old with a few foibles of its own!
__________________
Cheers Dave Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........ |
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post: |
Aug 31st, 2020, 22:35 | #1665 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:17
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
http://https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324273927381 For about £30 would be a better bet for frequent use. Will you be converting your motor to LPG, or repairing a current installation (I don’t recall it being LPG previously)? Well done with the lathe, I don’t think I’d be able to remember how to use one these days. Alan |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Othen For This Useful Post: |
Aug 31st, 2020, 22:54 | #1666 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:08
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
|
Quote:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Punch...g/324273927381 For some reason your link is a bit corrupted, kept taking me to some home website? Found the ebay item number on the end and copied it then searched for that instead as above. Would be even easier to use if it could be operated by a foot pedal so both paws were free to ensure the panel didn't go out of line. Yes, i'm converting to LPG, i planned on doing that for a long time and it seems like it's taken longer to actually get round to doing it. I much prefer the idea of 50-60p/L to 129p/L!
__________________
Cheers Dave Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........ |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post: |
Sep 1st, 2020, 06:44 | #1667 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:17
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Corby del Sol
|
Quote:
Thank you for sorting out that link - I don't know what went wrong there. The LPG project is really interesting. I'd always assumed the work would have to be done by some sort of qualified gas person (like Corgi with domestic supplies), so this is fascinating. What would be the project cost? Would it work with a carburettor engine (such as a B21a - just as an example - you can probably guess what I'm thinking). The cost difference does make it an attractive option, and LPG has remained sufficiently non-mainstream for governments not to bother taxing it much (I think that will continue). How long do you think the project will take? Will DVLA get fussed about it (I'm thinking about the 'no substantial modification' clause in the historic vehicle registration)? Excellent, I'm really looking forward to hearing about this one. Alan Last edited by Othen; Sep 1st, 2020 at 06:45. Reason: Spelling error. |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Othen For This Useful Post: |
Sep 1st, 2020, 08:49 | #1668 |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 10:20
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: S****horpe
|
LS I take it that at 129/L you're talking about the "Super Unleaded"type stuff? Even so the dearer stations round here are at about 113/114p/L for the ordinary stuff so at 129/L you're still talking 15/16p/L extra so you're getting on for 70p per gallon more!
Othen the last I knew[although I've never owned an LPG car]you can in fact on some cars at least get a £10 per year reduction in the VED. and you can indeed convert a carburettor car to LPG and I believe it costs less than doing a fuel injected one. |
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dippydog For This Useful Post: |
Sep 1st, 2020, 09:13 | #1669 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:08
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
|
Quote:
No idea how long it's going to take, my Coupe took about 3 weeks but that was a basic mixer system that you could use on yours, albeit with slightly different components. All in, i think it's going to cost me about £300 with the tank, ECU/loom, reducer (as distinct from a vapouriser that i used on my Coupe and you would use on yours), pipework and other associated sundries. That's mainly using secondhand kit but some parts are new, the pipework to/from the tank, filler etc. However, because yours is a single carb, you could go new for a similar amount : https://tinleytech.co.uk/shop/lpg-ki...e-carburettor/ Obviously you'd need the tank and filler as well and a mixer between the air filter and carb. I seem to recall you're thinking of the twin choke Weber conversion - that's easier to find a mixer for than the Pierburg carb you have. https://tinleytech.co.uk/product-cat...ction-systems/ There are other suppliers but Tinley isn't far from you and they are very helpful, even if you phone them up on the off-chance. Given the minimal cost of a new front end kit for yours and some parts you'll have to buy new anyway (e.g. mixer), i'd suggest you may as well go for a new set up and a bit of a project for you. If you can find some secondhand kit you may be able to pick up a bargain. This explains a bit more, primarily intended for the older Amazon Volvos, a lot of it is still relevant but there are certain things "lost in translation". https://www.scandcar.com/lpg-in-volvo/ Gives you some food for thought though! It's also a "period modification" so i seriously doubt any problems with the DVLA, after all it's a conversion to dual-fuel, not entirely changing the fuel. You still need to start on petrol and run on it until the engine has warmed up a bit, usually about a mile tops.
__________________
Cheers Dave Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........ |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post: |
Sep 1st, 2020, 09:24 | #1670 | |
Premier Member
Last Online: Today 15:08
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Lakenheath
|
Quote:
I believe they've stopped the VED reduction and that was only available on new (or near-new) cars when converted below a certain age. It won't make any difference to Alan come April as he will be getting a huge reduction in VED - everyones favourite price - FREE!!! See my links on the bits needed to convert his B21A, not exhaustive and there are several bits i haven't listed but those are general bits and would be needed whether injection or carb. Then if you feel like it, compare the cost of similar bits for converting EFi cars. Thinking about it i don't think i included a vapouriser in the list so may have to revisit that later.
__________________
Cheers Dave Next Door to Top-Gun with a Honda CR-V & S Type Jag Volvo gone but not forgotten........ |
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Laird Scooby For This Useful Post: |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
|
|