240 General: New (to me) 1980 Volvo 244

[Laird Scooby]

Originally Posted by Bob Meadows

The liners can also be edge sealed with "E" or "D" profile (black) self adhesive draught excluder or weather strip (depends on the gap for thickness required)
Providing the plastic liner is clean the strips will stick well:~

The self tapping screws can also be stainless and providing the holes are painted, treat the screw threads with copper grease then fasten up.

Done the above with the liners purchased (as previous mail etc)
It is worth treating all the hidden body parts with a wax treatment to include the wheel arch lips.
Regards Bob.

I'd avoid sealing the liner to the arch if at all possible. Any moisture above the liner (however it gets there) will settle on the liner then run to the edges and run out the gap - or not! If it settles on the inside of the metal wheel arch, it will promote corrosion, much like having no drain holes in a sill will cause the sill to rot from the inside out.

Draught excluder could be used to prevent rattling but i would leav gaps at strategic intervals to provide drainage for any moisture that might get above the liner.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Bob Meadows

The self tapping screws can also be stainless and providing the holes are painted, treat the screw threads with copper grease then fasten up.

Regards Bob.

Many thanks Bob,
I'll replace the zinc plated screws (all I had at the time) with either stainless or plastic in a couple of weeks time when I'm happy the liners have settled into their final size and shape.
Alan

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Laird Scooby

I'd avoid sealing the liner to the arch if at all possible. Any moisture above the liner (however it gets there) will settle on the liner then run to the edges and run out the gap - or not! If it settles on the inside of the metal wheel arch, it will promote corrosion, much like having no drain holes in a sill will cause the sill to rot from the inside out.

Draught excluder could be used to prevent rattling but i would leav gaps at strategic intervals to provide drainage for any moisture that might get above the liner.

Good points Dave and Bob,

The way the 740 liners fit they are slightly open at the front and the back. If any moisture (condensation?) does collect inside the cavity it should run down either side of the liner and be able to drain out at the bottom.

I'll probably take the liners off every 2-3 years and re-coat the metal with Waxoil.

Alan

[Bob Meadows]

Quote "I'll probably take the liners off every 2-3 years and re-coat the metal with Waxoil."

The liners on the two Volvo cars I own 240 & V70 also have a wax treatment (diluted with clean oil) this is renewed every 12 months but normally it is only a quick routine as the condition is generally spot on.

The wheel arch edges or lip also receive a full coat as well as the plastic liner- the 240 rear liners have a seal (self adhesive) and again this also receives a coat prior to installing back etc- once the fluid flashes off a seal of wax is formed and if done properly moisture isn't a problem- never effected my car.

A real venerable area on the 240 is the front section of the rear wheel arch ie the lead into the sill (look for a rubber grommet in the arch-remove and spay the internals) I would recommend liners with this extension and again once clean cover the arch well with the wax treatment prior to fitting the liner.
Hope it helps.
Bob.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Bob Meadows

Quote "I'll probably take the liners off every 2-3 years and re-coat the metal with Waxoil."

The liners on the two Volvo cars I own 240 & V70 also have a wax treatment (diluted with clean oil) this is renewed every 12 months but normally it is only a quick routine as the condition is generally spot on.

The wheel arch edges or lip also receive a full coat as well as the plastic liner- the 240 rear liners have a seal (self adhesive) and again this also receives a coat prior to installing back etc- once the fluid flashes off a seal of wax is formed and if done properly moisture isn't a problem- never effected my car.

A real venerable area on the 240 is the front section of the rear wheel arch ie the lead into the sill (look for a rubber grommet in the arch-remove and spay the internals) I would recommend liners with this extension and again once clean cover the arch well with the wax treatment prior to fitting the liner.
Hope it helps.
Bob.

That is very diligent of you Bob - I dare say the average 240 or V70 will get no protection of preventative treatment at all. The RB will be somewhere between: I have no intention whatsoever of paying £200 for a set of proper rear liners, but the 740 ones I have adapted will give enormously better protection (than none at all on the standard set up) for a tenner.

My own estimation (based on no evidence, apart from my own experience) is that removing the liners I have adapted every few years to re-seal them will work pretty well and will aid the longevity of the RB. I may do it a bit more often, but there will be a balance between disturbing something that works pretty well and applying maintenance.

What I do know is what I have done with the 740 liners will be a great deal better than doing nothing at all :-)

Best wishes,

Alan

[Bob Meadows]

Some pictures that may be of use:~
These are liners via Volvogue modified with E.P.DM. seals as above notes- full coverage front and rear but all hidden areas are wax treated prior to installation.
Regards Bob.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by Bob Meadows

Some pictures that may be of use:~
These are liners via Volvogue modified with E.P.DM. seals as above notes- full coverage front and rear but all hidden areas are wax treated prior to installation.
Regards Bob.

They look excellent Bob,

I was in communication with Volvovogue some time ago; unfortunately it no longer imports the liners (from Lokari in Finland I believe) so the only option would have been to purchase from a German company; the cost being about £200, which was too much for a tightwad like me :-)

You may have seen the results I achieved with a 740 liner (that cost a tenner) adapted to fit; is it as good as the Lokari ones you have? No, they are not - but they aren't bad either:



... my apology if you have already seen this picture - I'm happy with the outcome and think them a really good investment (both in time and money).

You will be aware that Volvo fitted plastic liners to the front wheel arches of 240s - I had to remove mine (to fit a radio antenna I think) about a year ago. I should think that was the first time it had been off the car in 40 years but there was no rust. The liner had obviously done its job well, so I sprayed everything I could get to with Hammerite paint and put it together. My point here is that I don't think taking the covers off annually is necessary, and that is only based on my experience with the factory fitted front ones.

Thank you for the photos - I'm envious of the Lokari liners but happier to save £180 with some from a 740/940 :-)

Best wishes,

Alan

[Bob Meadows]

I cant remember what I paid for the liners Alan but I did think that they were expensive at the time but maybe nearer the £100 mark without looking for the invoice.
I did have a thought of using the liners for reproducing in fiberglass but other things to do!
If the arches are protected as you have done then it is worthwhile-regardless of fit a wax maintenance routine will benefit- the next lucky owner will love you!
Keep up the good work
Regards Bob.

[360beast]

I've been in the loft Alan and organised all the parts, checked the garage and elsewhere but no liner so I must have sold it at some point. I'm after another breaker so I'll let you know when I get one.

[Othen]

Originally Posted by 360beast

I've been in the loft Alan and organised all the parts, checked the garage and elsewhere but no liner so I must have sold it at some point. I'm after another breaker so I'll let you know when I get one.

Many thanks Luke.
Alan