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Castrol Edge Professional A5/B5 Vs Castrol Edge A5/B5

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Old Apr 12th, 2013, 19:05   #11
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You also need to consider that if a large oil company like Mobil are happy it meets the specifications for the engine then it probably does.
True, but it's Volvo not Mobil who are offering the warranty and they are perfectly within their rights to refuse a warranty claim if you have not used a product that meets their specification.


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There is no such thing as an engine that only works on Castrol 0w30 A5/B5.
True again and as Ninja said nobody says there is. No manufacturer can specify another manufacturer's products be used. They can specify an industry standard which they have in this case 0w30 A5/B5.

I've never really like Castrol that much, but use in in my D5 because it is the right oil.
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I never said Castrol Edge... -

It only states 0W-30 A5/B5 and somewhere about Castrol, but that was not part of my post read the information provided not what you want to read.

Ever considered the fact that Mobil might/do not have a 0W-30 with A5/B5 specification?

Which they actually do...leading me to an interesting point. The oil recommended by their system is actually wrong if based on specification.Fact.

http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LC...omy-0w30.aspx#

This meets A5/B5 and 0W-30 - but has a higher SAP that you keep going on about than Edge! Whether you like it or not 5W-30 is the wrong specification oil for a 5 cylinder Volvo diesel engine D3/D4/D5.

And to add a sense of irony to your statement your original input featured this: -


Yet somehow you are now recommending a 5W-30 oil for a car that should be running on 0W-30?

You still don't get it do you.

You blindly recommend Castrol 0w30 A5/B5, which as far as I can tell is Edge.

Might point is there are other oils other than your holy grail of oil.

Which actually isn't much thinner than Mobil Super 3000 at low temps.

Since the Mobil is relatively thin for a 5w30.

There are two points here.

Your kind locality to 0w30 as if it is some form or super brew and the fact that there are other oils that more than meet the needed specs.

Part of the reason for the 0w30 is likely to be emissions related, perhaps slightly improved warm up?

My decision to buy a more expensive oil if I had a '12 car is confusing to you?

Why is that, seems logical enough.

But the Mobil oil also meets the new Ford "C" spec so it is certainly not a rubbish oil.

If you feel the need to pay £10 a litre for oil that is fine.

But don't try and shout down people that don't agree.

Especially if you know less about oil than you think you do.

After all, you seem to know more than Mobil.

If Volvo are happy to run an oil with saps of 1.12 in a Dpf equipped vehicle then that is their opinion and if the car is under warranty they will potentially be fixing any issues.

My position is to go for a lower saps, 0.8 is as low as a quality C3 oil, but I believe you can't have a C3 oil with reduced HTHS hence why Mobil Super is not a C3 oil.

Both oils will certainly be perfectly acceptable for the engine.

But one is nearly half the price of the other.

Meaning I can change oil and filter more often for the same money.

I wouldn't run any diesel car as long as 10/12k without Used Oil Analysis on a Dpf equipped vehicle or one used for significant amount of urban or stop start.

You are welcome to your opinion.

I am entitled to mine.
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You still don't get it do you.

You blindly recommend Castrol 0w30 A5/B5, which as far as I can tell is Edge.

Might point is there are other oils other than your holy grail of oil.

Which actually isn't much thinner than Mobil Super 3000 at low temps.

Since the Mobil is relatively thin for a 5w30.

There are two points here.

Your kind locality to 0w30 as if it is some form or super brew and the fact that there are other oils that more than meet the needed specs.

Part of the reason for the 0w30 is likely to be emissions related, perhaps slightly improved warm up?

My decision to buy a more expensive oil if I had a '12 car is confusing to you?

Why is that, seems logical enough.

But the Mobil oil also meets the new Ford "C" spec so it is certainly not a rubbish oil.

If you feel the need to pay £10 a litre for oil that is fine.

But don't try and shout down people that don't agree.

Especially if you know less about oil than you think you do.

After all, you seem to know more than Mobil.

If Volvo are happy to run an oil with saps of 1.12 in a Dpf equipped vehicle then that is their opinion and if the car is under warranty they will potentially be fixing any issues.

My position is to go for a lower saps, 0.8 is as low as a quality C3 oil, but I believe you can't have a C3 oil with reduced HTHS hence why Mobil Super is not a C3 oil.

Both oils will certainly be perfectly acceptable for the engine.

But one is nearly half the price of the other.

Meaning I can change oil and filter more often for the same money.

I wouldn't run any diesel car as long as 10/12k without Used Oil Analysis on a Dpf equipped vehicle or one used for significant amount of urban or stop start.

You are welcome to your opinion.

I am entitled to mine.
I NEVER recommended him (the OP) to buy edge or Castrol oil full stop in this thread.I only told him the specification which somehow you fail to see 0W-30 A5/B5 DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean Castrol Edge of that grade, please again read my earlier posts I never said for the OP to buy Edge specifically, he if he has done so has done so without my input.

Whether you like it or not the oil you are "babbling on about" is a 5W-30 oil NOT what the OP's car needs which is 0W-30. Industry standard NOT Castrol standard, Industry standard, Volvo specifies a 0W-30 A5/B5 for 5 cylinder diesel engines, nothing else.

No your reason is totally confused as the OP has a 5 cylinder diesel engine which requires 0W-30 A5/B5 the oil you keep harking on about is the wrong specification. FACT. You even said this yourself in a round about way, which is what I was alluring to in regards to the irony of you recommending the wrong oil for the OP's car.

We are not talking about the 4 cylinder PSA/Ford 2.0D here at all, the D3/D4 are are an off shoot of the D5 engine, a Volvo engine no Ford engine what so ever, so going on about Ford specifications is laughable. So you can follow your beloved Mobil blindly to the cows come home should you get a 5 cylinder D3/D4/D5 engine and happily plonk in 5W-30 which is what you are basically saying, that is of the wrong specification for the OP's vehicle [see the irony in your statement now if you had a 5 cylinder D3/D4/D5?]. Unless you have somehow thought the PSA engine (which I happen to know you own a PSA 2.0D engine) is the same as a D3/D4 they are nothing alike what so ever, somehow I believe you have failed to understand I have a lot more than just knowledge of the 2.0D engine in the P1 cars, possibly it is a personal thing and you have a grudge against me, which is quite amusing.

I do not know more than mobil but the oil recommended for this engine is wrong on that search without a shadow of a doubt. Amazingly some systems are not always right, it is well known that Castrol's website was wrong for a long time, and a few others besides.

Overall you are the one that seems to fail to understand even the basic specification or to read what is in front of you! And anyway talking about DPF's to me is pointless these days having gone back to a petrol, but I still have enough Volvo D range 5 cylinder knowledge to say the oil for the D3/D4/D5 that you keep going on about is not of the right industry standard as specified by Volvo.

And just to remind you no where in this picture for the specification does it feature the words "Castrol" or "Edge" - Note the "D3/D4" - the OP's 5 cylinder diesel volvo engine and 0W-30 and A5/B5. Quite how you find this difficult is beyond me. It is almost like if I even mention 0W-30 A5/B5 you automatically go off on one at me, saying I am recommending Castrol or edge which I have not. Thanks for the laugh though. Ha.


Just to back up my points first the MY2013 V70 instruction manual specifications (same for various years).



No where do these posts state the OP must have Castrol Edge...

In relation to the differences between the retail range of Castrol and the "Professional range."

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From what one member told me on here the only difference is for identification purposes - UV dye of some description and branding.

Got to Opie Oils use the discount code on here and save some money.
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5 cylinder diesels can only use 0w-30 A5/B5, there are very few that meet that requirement.

Additionally, there are very few places if you went down the castrol edge route that do 0w-30 A5/B5 with discount you can cover next day delivery in many cases.
Stated "if you went down" this post never said or stated he must get Castrol Edge, and neither do I now.

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Put simply it does not meet Volvo specification though which is 0W-30 A5/B5 for any 5 cylinder whether that be Castrol or any make, risking putting an oil that does not meet Volvo specifications could risk any warranty.
"or any make" as I know there are other 0W-30 A5/B5 oils out there, the Mobil version that meets the requirements for the Volvo has a higher SAP content something you rather oddly decided to leave out. And somehow you appear to think you know more than Volvo....

Link to Mobil 1 Fuel Economy 0W-30 A5/B5 - check out the SAP content. http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LC...omy-0w30.aspx#

Just to really stick the nail in the coffin about searching on Mobil's website for oil...

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Always remember to check product recommendations against your vehicle manufacturer's specification requirements and service intervals appropriate to your application.
Product recommendation means it does not necessarily meet the manufacturers specification...

Shell Helix 0W-30 - A5/B5 approved (ironically Shell can even identify the right oil 0W-30 A5/B5!)
http://lubematch.shell.co.uk/recomme...ge=5&brand=109

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For this reason, universally-valid statements about the function of our products are not possible. The information given in this brochure represents general, non-binding guidelines. No warranty expressed or implied is given concerning the properties of the product or its suitability for any given application.
Millers do not have a 0W-30 A5/B5 oil.

Comma refuse to provide one because it is a "specialist product".

and your original statement in this thread:

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If I had a '12 like you I would certainly be using 0w30
No hard feelings as we are only here to share information, but it helps if it was correct information for the vehicles involved.

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Wow! Thanks chaps for the info, I've enquired at the dealership, who of course say Castrol 'Edge professional' and with Castrol's Tech guys who tell me, like you have, that the professional/trade version has a uv dye in it, I presume to easily eliminate warranty claims, and that Professional & Edge are perfectly miscible, and suggest I use which ever is convenient for me.

I have used Mobil 1 in the past and thought I would be able to use a mobil oil in this car, but the thought of warranty hassle doesn't lie easily.
I've found that Nielsen CDG prices seem a bit lower than Opie. which balances the delivery cost.

It sounded a bit like 'Dipsticks' at dawn, except they've done away with those now, just don't mop your brows with an oily rag, it gets the neighbors worried.
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Not really warranty hassle...the point blank answer is you could use any oil with

SAE - 0W-30
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ACEA - A5/B5 approval.

I have just been on Nielsen CDG's website be very very very careful there are two versions of Castrol Edge 0W-30 and you have fallen into the trap that is incorrectly rated one for VW/Mercedes and BMW and is NOT A5/B5 approved (unless you can show me the Volvo A5/B5 approved one!) - the wrong version the only castrol edge 0w-30 I can see : http://www.nielsencdg.co.uk/acatalog...12.html#SID=70

To be very clear from Opie this is the WRONG one:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-716-cast...ngine-oil.aspx

It says for VW/BMW and Merc on the front and is Incorrectly rated.

This is the RIGHT one with for Volvo:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-69391-ca...ngine-oil.aspx

This is the A5/B5 one and is correct for your car hence why I said Opie it is very difficult to get hold of (so much so Opie actually sent me the WRONG version first time around, and the VW version is far more common), Halfords have it in store but at higher cost.

Here is the correct one in picture only a 1 litre one but all the same if it was 4 litre, ignore the bottle of mag'


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I NEVER recommended him (the OP) to buy edge or Castrol oil full stop in this thread.I only told him the specification which somehow you fail to see 0W-30 A5/B5 DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean Castrol Edge of that grade, please again read my earlier posts I never said for the OP to buy Edge specifically, he if he has done so has done so without my input.

Whether you like it or not the oil you are "babbling on about" is a 5W-30 oil NOT what the OP's car needs which is 0W-30. Industry standard NOT Castrol standard, Industry standard, Volvo specifies a 0W-30 A5/B5 for 5 cylinder diesel engines, nothing else.

No your reason is totally confused as the OP has a 5 cylinder diesel engine which requires 0W-30 A5/B5 the oil you keep harking on about is the wrong specification. FACT. You even said this yourself in a round about way, which is what I was alluring to in regards to the irony of you recommending the wrong oil for the OP's car.

We are not talking about the 4 cylinder PSA/Ford 2.0D here at all, the D3/D4 are are an off shoot of the D5 engine, a Volvo engine no Ford engine what so ever, so going on about Ford specifications is laughable. So you can follow your beloved Mobil blindly to the cows come home should you get a 5 cylinder D3/D4/D5 engine and happily plonk in 5W-30 which is what you are basically saying, that is of the wrong specification for the OP's vehicle [see the irony in your statement now if you had a 5 cylinder D3/D4/D5?]. Unless you have somehow thought the PSA engine (which I happen to know you own a PSA 2.0D engine) is the same as a D3/D4 they are nothing alike what so ever, somehow I believe you have failed to understand I have a lot more than just knowledge of the 2.0D engine in the P1 cars, possibly it is a personal thing and you have a grudge against me, which is quite amusing.

I do not know more than mobil but the oil recommended for this engine is wrong on that search without a shadow of a doubt. Amazingly some systems are not always right, it is well known that Castrol's website was wrong for a long time, and a few others besides.

Overall you are the one that seems to fail to understand even the basic specification or to read what is in front of you! And anyway talking about DPF's to me is pointless these days having gone back to a petrol, but I still have enough Volvo D range 5 cylinder knowledge to say the oil for the D3/D4/D5 that you keep going on about is not of the right industry standard as specified by Volvo.

And just to remind you no where in this picture for the specification does it feature the words "Castrol" or "Edge" - Note the "D3/D4" - the OP's 5 cylinder diesel volvo engine and 0W-30 and A5/B5. Quite how you find this difficult is beyond me. It is almost like if I even mention 0W-30 A5/B5 you automatically go off on one at me, saying I am recommending Castrol or edge which I have not. Thanks for the laugh though. Ha.


Just to back up my points first the MY2013 V70 instruction manual specifications (same for various years).



No where do these posts state the OP must have Castrol Edge...

In relation to the differences between the retail range of Castrol and the "Professional range."





Stated "if you went down" this post never said or stated he must get Castrol Edge, and neither do I now.



"or any make" as I know there are other 0W-30 A5/B5 oils out there, the Mobil version that meets the requirements for the Volvo has a higher SAP content something you rather oddly decided to leave out. And somehow you appear to think you know more than Volvo....

Link to Mobil 1 Fuel Economy 0W-30 A5/B5 - check out the SAP content. http://www.mobil.co.uk/UK-English-LC...omy-0w30.aspx#

Just to really stick the nail in the coffin about searching on Mobil's website for oil...



Product recommendation means it does not necessarily meet the manufacturers specification...

Shell Helix 0W-30 - A5/B5 approved (ironically Shell can even identify the right oil 0W-30 A5/B5!)
http://lubematch.shell.co.uk/recomme...ge=5&brand=109

***hs had an interesting disclaimer on their search:


Millers do not have a 0W-30 A5/B5 oil.

Comma refuse to provide one because it is a "specialist product".

and your original statement in this thread:



No hard feelings as we are only here to share information, but it helps if it was correct information for the vehicles involved.


There is certainly no hard feelings.

This is a debate about two different opinions.

If two people can't have a good old fashioned disagreement where would the world be.

Perhaps I am too tight?

The more information and opinions that are out there can only make things beneficial in the longer term.

My position is mainly one of cost.

0w30 A5/B5 is also the advised brew for my V50 in severe service from memory.

And it is always more expensive than 5w30.

Only Used Oil Analysis would give concrete proof of which is the best plan.
Cheaper oil with an interim oil and filter change.

Or better oil with a longer one.

Due to the Dpf and the risk of fuel contamination of the oil I side with shorter and cheaper.

I suppose what we should take from both our opinions is our engines are well serviced!

I am aware the OP has a 5 cylinder.

Perhaps I have put too much faith in the Mobil lube advisor software?

I also still have concerns about using Castrol 0w30 specifically due to the high saps.

Due to the Ford connection going back many years I would think the vast majority of Volvo dealers still use Castrol oils.

The main dealer that did my recall work yesterday certainly still do, though in all fairness they would as they are also a Ford main dealer!

Perhaps some UOA results would be an idea.

I am more than willing to get one done so the forum can start to build up some detailed data.

Perhaps with a sticky at some point in the future?

I am about to send off two 5k mile sample for analysis for my Pathfinder.

Though not strictly relevant the Mobil Super is going in this time so I can compare it to the two previous samples that were C3 oil.

The engine in the Pathfinder is specified for B1 and B5 oil aswell as C3.

The saps of the Mobil Super are the same as C3.

If any D3 owners or D5 owners want to follow suit.

I use Blackstone in the US.

You go to their website and they send you sample containers and you pay when you send the sample.

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Either way you put it 5W-30 is not going to be the correct oil for a D3/D4/D5, the Mobil with correct specifications SAP content is higher than the Castrol maybe you still do not wish to address that factor?

If you actually had checked beyond looking at 5W-30 you would quickly reach the conclusion that nearly all 0W-30 A5/B5 oils had a slightly higher SAP rating than the Super (and yes I use that as a pun) oil you keep going on about.

The PSA 2.0D's DPF system (if it even had one which is rare most do not have a DPF what so ever) is completely different to the D3/D4/D5's, the two systems are nothing a like. Additionally, the 2.0D PSA engine as highlighted correct had far more flexibility in it's oil specification, something the D range (minus the D2 - although that engine is ultra sensitive to the correct oil specifications) does not have, 0W-30 A5/B5 is the ONLY oil they can take.

Regarding the 2.0D with 0W-30 A5/B5 in starting for mine was improved a lot with 5W-30 it definitely was more lumpy, and that is running on shell fuel. Additionally, I personally believe over a full service interval you could make back the cost of 0W-30 quite handsomely as mine was getting a bit more MPG (although there are a number of other factors in this obviously), my personal view it ran better on 0W-30 A5/B5 and was quieter. I only had it once on 0W-30 and Shell V-Power diesel for it's MoT and it was superb, probably the happiest it had ever been.

Not totally true as I know my main dealer sometimes had Mobil in sometimes has Castrol, personally I never used their oil from a pure cost point of view and I could control what was going in there, so even £40-50 for me was still a massive saving over paying the dealership for oil (on prior agreement that they would use my oil, some won't do it).

Saying a Ford dealer used Castrol is a bit unfair as it seems quite an assumption to say Volvo ones still would, personally I think you will find it is how much off can we get! I would never go choosing oil on a pure cost basis that is just silly personally speaking.

I have no information on the Pathfinder so it is completely useless in this regard as to what SAE or ACEA ratings it takes.

That is up to you and your own thoughts as to the any product recommendation online (as I believe you have said before you do not always believe what you see online was it now?), personally I would go by what the book and manufacturer says in relation to SAE and ACEA ratings (and no this does not mean Castrol or any variant of wording).

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This is the ref for Neilsen CDG, it comes up with A5/B5 in the search box.

Castrol Edge 0W-30 FST Volvo Engine Oil A5/B5 with Fluid Strength Technology. TRUSTED TO PERFORM WITH :-
Volvo, Kia, Jaguar, Range Rover, Hyundai, Honda, Mitsubishi

Castrol Edge 0W-30 FST Volvo Engine Oil A5/B5 with Fluid Strength
Manufacturer: CASTROL
Product: Castrol Edge 0W-30 FST Volvo Engine Oil A5/B5 2L
Ref: CAS-2062-7112-2


But, on reading Ninja's last reply, I hadn't thought about checking with the service dept; I think I'll check with them & see if they'll let me supply my own oil, although I feel that as I'm the customer they can't say no, they could say 'oops-sorry forgot you'd brought your own oil' and put their dearer stuff in!
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Yes they do do it just found it, could not see it.

Some do have policies so do check, some go it is fine others just look at you and go no hahaha.
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Haven't been on in a while but I will address your point about the saps level of the 0w30 A5/B5 Mobil oil, I assume that is what you were talking Bout in your last post?

Mobil don't recommend the 0w30 when ever I have checked it on the Mobil site. They advise the one I have said Mobil Super 3000 FE 5w30.

But if you check the specs you will see that is almost identical in viscosity at 40oC and 100oC. So it is actually very close to the performance when cold even though it is a 5w30.

Castrol is probably at the top end of the range that constitutes a 0w30 and 5w30, as some Mobil oils seem to be, very near the bottom of the range that constitutes a 5w30.

This viscosity similarity is likely what has led to Mobil to make the recommendation they have.

There will be engineering requirement they are given by the engine manufacturer which will be more detailed than just 0w30 A5/B5 please.

If Mobil are happy to recommend that I am happy to use it.

Again as I said before if I had a 2012 vehicle worth £20k I may feel differently.

Nothing to do with the oil, just that I wouldn't be as bothered about saving around half my oil costs.

As I would not be self servicing much when under warranty, though may do an extra oil change at half distance.
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