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Can I use 5W-30 instead of 0W-30

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Old Aug 13th, 2022, 21:47   #11
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That's why garages use new oil, if oil doesn't have an age limit why do garages still insist on an annual service where the car has only done 3000 miles that year,

It's not still the days of 5L of FoMoCo multilube engine oils today are part of the engine build itself,

After all said it probably will be ok to use it but I'm not going to advise it knowing it could cause costly damage if the oil doesn't do it's job, and I'm like you normally if it meets the spec it's going in but having lost a turbo early on in a VW I suspect the oil I was using even through it was top quality and met the specs caused it to wear early, it's the only one I ever lost and also the only car of mine that called for a specific oil spec,

@ XC, if you do go ahead make sure you do shake it up like a rattle can of paint, I'd even suggest giving the bottle a waist high warm bath and shake it again, keep the bottle sealed obviously, tepid not hot so as long as you can keep a finger in the water without burning yourself that will do, otherwise you may deform or melt the bottle.
It was a light-hearted quip, but I do think you're being over-dramatic to say the least. Manufacturer's advised it's OK, it'll be OK.

Garages use new oil because they do servicing regularly, so they turn over oil stock regularly.

Cars usually (but not always) have annual services specified because, but not limited to, oil degradation because extreme heating and cooling over the course of a year, and because condensation occurs inside an engine when it gets cold, which is unhelpful to oil longevity. Oh, and because it makes them money, perhaps.

These things don't happen to sealed containers of oil on a garage shelf.

The OP's not going to wreck his engine.
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Old Aug 13th, 2022, 21:55   #12
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It was a light-hearted quip, but I do think you're being over-dramatic to say the least. Manufacturer's advised it's OK, it'll be OK.

Garages use new oil because they do servicing regularly, so they turn over oil stock regularly.

Cars usually (but not always) have annual services specified because, but not limited to, oil degradation because extreme heating and cooling over the course of a year, and because condensation occurs inside an engine when it gets cold, which is unhelpful to oil longevity. Oh, and because it makes them money, perhaps.

These things don't happen to sealed containers of oil on a garage shelf.

The OP's not going to wreck his engine.
It's all good mate, what you say is true it's just certain manufacturers have started insisting on only one oil and I don't think it's because they want the wonga I think it's because the tech and tolerances in the engines demand it,

You have to remember it's not always the engine alone the spec is protecting, oils now are designed to limit dpf clogging, get between micron thin gaps and still have the balls to deal with the normal engine cycles,

XC's car has a complex engine and has a history of egr and ring problems so I'd just err on it and bite the fresh oil route meeself
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Old Aug 13th, 2022, 23:14   #13
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I have used Mobil 1 ESP ( Low Ash for the DPF ) 5w-30 for the last 12 years in 3 D5's and never had the slightest issue.
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Old Aug 14th, 2022, 01:05   #14
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I have used Mobil 1 ESP ( Low Ash for the DPF ) 5w-30 for the last 12 years in 3 D5's and never had the slightest issue.
I’ve used Comma XTech 5w30 for a similar period in my D5s, T5s and 2.0D’s… only side effect was a slightly heavier wallet after each change….
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Can I just say, people worry too much.

Maybe we've been conditioned that way, me included.

VW Group has made a squillion cars than run on 5W 30

It will be fine and dandy didmont.
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Can I just say, people worry too much.

Maybe we've been conditioned that way, me included.

VW Group has made a squillion cars than run on 5W 30

It will be fine and dandy didmont.

It's not that cut n' dried I'm afraid, the VW engines both PD & CR needed the "right" oil, VAG outdid itself building complex engine that were in effect tighter than a nuns reproductive organ, the cam to follower was the best example where if the wrong oil was in there it simply wouldn't make it between the two components, I'm almost certain my Passat 2.0 PD turbo started overboosting and wailing @ 45k because I used Dexos II in it thinking at the time very much the same way as you are now,

Quite honesty the last time they made a great engine it had a 1900cc capacity, since then it's been very high oil consumption and bore washing issues, added to failing oil pump hex drives, injectors, dmf (had a small 1.0L loaner with 14k on the clock, flywheel rattling on idle) dsg mechatronic failure, dsg clutch pack warping in dry boxes dsg oil they couldn't decide on mineral or synth oil for the dry box, the list goes on and on, so if anyone wants a VW make it a Santana GX5 from 1985 or it's similar cousin the Audi 80 Sport with Audi rings on the doors **** yeah!
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Old Aug 15th, 2022, 10:28   #17
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Not sure why there is so much discussion over this, it will be 100% ok, a lot of cars start life at one grade then dealer revises it later on, the vw pd engines started off at 10w40 semi synthetic for example, this revision in a lot of cases due to links with oil suppliers etc,if the car is under factory warranty then better stick to dealer service etc, the dealers have trading deals with certain oil companies etc, the dealers/garages are ONLY interested in the revenue generated in the workshop, after almost 30 years in the motor trade I can guarantee that is the case, servicing generates a regular revenue stream with the bonus of hitting you for the hard sell, brake discs, pads, suspension bushes etc which in most case would last a lot longer………
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Not sure why there is so much discussion over this, it will be 100% ok, a lot of cars start life at one grade then dealer revises it later on, the vw pd engines started off at 10w40 semi synthetic for example, this revision in a lot of cases due to links with oil suppliers etc,if the car is under factory warranty then better stick to dealer service etc, the dealers have trading deals with certain oil companies etc, the dealers/garages are ONLY interested in the revenue generated in the workshop, after almost 30 years in the motor trade I can guarantee that is the case, servicing generates a regular revenue stream with the bonus of hitting you for the hard sell, brake discs, pads, suspension bushes etc which in most case would last a lot longer………
Mick most of what you say is correct regarding deals between suppliers and manufacturers but the crucial element isn't whether it's a particular brand of oil it's the grade that counts,

The PD engine came in various forms, all called PD but not the same engine at all, the 1.9's were generally inline and the later 2.0's were transverse and having had both in different models I can assure you they didn't even look similar,

As I've replied on this a few times I'll make this my final answer on the matter, if someone wants to use the wrong spec/grade oil so be it but I don't advise it as it goes deeper than a sales pitch no griping later when your cams and cranks sound like a drummer doing a bad solo because the bloke on a forum said it was ok, it's got a whole lot more complex since things got added to an engine that older ones of 20 years ago didn't require, you can put any oil in any engine but 5-30k later you'll know why you shouldn't have.
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Old Aug 15th, 2022, 11:34   #19
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... you can put any oil in any engine but 5-30k later you'll know why you shouldn't have...
I saw what you did there

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