Volvo Community Forum. The Forums of the Volvo Owners Club

Forum Rules Volvo Owners Club About VOC Volvo Gallery Links Volvo History Volvo Press
Go Back   Volvo Owners Club Forum > "Technical Topics" > 140/164 Series General
Register Members Cars Help Calendar Extra Stuff

Notices

140/164 Series General Forum for the Volvo 140 and 164 cars

Information
  • VOC Members: There is no login facility using your VOC membership number or the details from page 3 of the club magazine. You need to register in the normal way
  • AOL Customers: Make sure you check the 'Remember me' check box otherwise the AOL system may log you out during the session. This is a known issue with AOL.
  • AOL, Yahoo and Plus.net users. Forum owners such as us are finding that AOL, Yahoo and Plus.net are blocking a lot of email generated from forums. This may mean your registration activation and other emails will not get to you, or they may appear in your spam mailbox

Thread Informations

Fuel Starvation?

Views : 967

Replies : 4

Users Viewing This Thread :  

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old Oct 16th, 2023, 11:14   #1
RCHunt
New Member
 

Last Online: Apr 14th, 2024 19:26
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Seaton
Default Fuel Starvation?

My 142 Rally car has been running well for a time now and I'm generally very pleased with how it goes.
However something occurred the other day which I thought had been solved. The car has twin HS6 SU carbs and Facet electric fuel pumps. I stopped on a hill to allow traffic coming the other way and the car would not pull away. The revs just died as soon as the clutch was released. Eventually I was able to stagger away and the car picked up once on the move.
This seems odd since it cannot be the first time I've stopped on a hill! It certainly has always climbed hills perfectly happily before although I did have a similar thing happen some while ago but I have stripped the carbs and replaced the floats, needle jet etc. since them.
I suspect something is sticking and causing fuel starvation, maybe being on a hill is part of the problem. Any ideas?
RCHunt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 16th, 2023, 11:43   #2
Clan
Experienced Member
 
Clan's Avatar
 

Last Online: Yesterday 22:32
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: L/H side
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RCHunt View Post
My 142 Rally car has been running well for a time now and I'm generally very pleased with how it goes.
However something occurred the other day which I thought had been solved. The car has twin HS6 SU carbs and Facet electric fuel pumps. I stopped on a hill to allow traffic coming the other way and the car would not pull away. The revs just died as soon as the clutch was released. Eventually I was able to stagger away and the car picked up once on the move.
This seems odd since it cannot be the first time I've stopped on a hill! It certainly has always climbed hills perfectly happily before although I did have a similar thing happen some while ago but I have stripped the carbs and replaced the floats, needle jet etc. since them.
I suspect something is sticking and causing fuel starvation, maybe being on a hill is part of the problem. Any ideas?
Facet Fuel pumps are NOT reliable they have a rated life of just 3000 hours which is ( 3 1/2 years for me, not good enough.) and on the data sheet it says under no circumstances to be used for aircraft engines. I have had 3 pack up on me, all failed on the motorway, 2 of the cube types and one cylindrical pump. The cylindrical one caught fire and burned through the casing ! However it hard to find any other electric fuel pump which can flow a decent supply for a large engine. So I have fitted 2 in parallel with a selector switch on the dash for WHEN one of them fails next.

I have just looked everywhere for the data sheet which stated the rated life which used to be published freely by the sellers ( Merlin motorsport) but can find no trace of it now, I can see why !
__________________
My comments are only based on my opinions and vast experience .
Clan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 16th, 2023, 12:11   #3
RCHunt
New Member
 

Last Online: Apr 14th, 2024 19:26
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Seaton
Default

Interesting. The car has twin pumps mounted in parallel. I've only used one pump for a while as I suspect the other may be suspect.
RCHunt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 16th, 2023, 16:25   #4
142 Guy
Master Member
 
142 Guy's Avatar
 

Last Online: Yesterday 16:07
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
Default

How steep was the hill? The design of the early 140 gas tank is less than stellar and on my 1971 fuel injection tank the fuel pick up is not in the lowest part of the tank. The last 3 - 4 liters of fuel is never recoverable and on rough roads my fuel pump will suck air if the tank level is running near the bottom. If your fuel level was running towards the bottom 1/4 of the tank and you were heading up on a reasonably steep hill the pump might have been sucking air.

I think the later 140 with the forward mounted tank did not suffer from this problem.
142 Guy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Oct 16th, 2023, 16:52   #5
RCHunt
New Member
 

Last Online: Apr 14th, 2024 19:26
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Seaton
Default

I thought about that but the car actually has a replacement tank fitted behind the rear bulkhead, to lift it up from potential damage in the standard position. It was actually virtually full and the hill not particularly steep.
RCHunt is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:45.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.