MTE back in the UK.

[Dan F]

Originally Posted by adieu

Well now we could argue that point all day. If your washing machine leaks and floods your house who pays for the new carpets?...hmmm that'll be your insurance company.

If a Workman puts a nail through a pipe who pays?...Hmmm that'll be the Workman and/or your insurance/thier Insurance.

If a tuning company through their negligence destroys your car engine who pays?...Hmm that'll be the TUNING COMPANY!!!!!!!

I know i would pursue anyone who through working on my car/house caused a fault or damaged it as I'm sure most of us would.


Regards

Iain

Hi Iain.
And we all know you would love to mate.
I do agree in that if you managed to proove the tuning company caused the fault that made your engine blow up, then yes, they would be liable, but you would have to obtain that proof against a backdrop of a company doing everything it can to disproove it. Also your motor insurance is not going to pay for a new engine if it blows up. You would have to have different insurance for that, umm, that'll be a warranty then! Oh, but that would only be valid for an untuned engine, unless *specifically* purchased to protect a modified engine. (You can buy cover for anything if you want to stump up the premuim demanded).
Some home insurance doesn't cover plumbing/pipework, or even accidental damage, so I would check your small print before you assume anything there!

Dan.

[Traduk]

Originally Posted by SaffronC70

I remember talking to MTE about diesels; they only do petrols - more of a passion for tuning and petrol power influence ! hehe

Tell your mate to live with the diesel power and enjoy the benefit of diesel fuel consumption and torque.

Chris

Chris,

He has seen the transformation an upgrade made to my T5 and although of course he realises that he would get nothing like the increase, just like me he would like some more power.

I think he is just like many of us inasmuch as after the gloss wears off and an element of disappointment sets in there is a choice of change the car that you have or change cars :-)

Regards, Liam

[SaffronC70]

ah right, cool !

I think I'm getting confuses by all the different topics in this thread, lol !

I thought he was after something warranty friendly.

Take it easy.

Chris

[swautos]

Originally Posted by Dan F

Hi Bobcat.
I am not saying that you are correct, or incorrect in your above statement, as I don't really care, however, playing devils advocate; Why should we take your word for it that you have the word of a 'reliable source' when you don't take anyones elses word? Where is your proof? You keep requesting it from others so where is yours?

On a more general note:
All this nonsense about VT keeping some of their procedures 'secret' is simply a 'lynching' exercise to my eyes. Every tuner does this to one degree or another.
SW Autos for example do a 'secret' mod to peoples cars that apparently negates the need for an ECU remap. Will Stuart disclose what he does? No (not as far as I have seen anyway).
Why? Either it is so specialised he doesn't want others trying it and maybe breaking something (very thoughtful of him), or (and most likely I reckon) he won't say what he does because then other enterprising individuals will realise they can do it themselves without spending much money at all or simply do the same for less.......
No doubt it will now be said by Stuart (or other 'SW-fans') that it is highly specialised knowledge and kit etc. If that is the case, then do then *please* tell us exactly what you do to get 280+WHP from a non chipped car!
After all if we want it done to our cars (As we may do, especially if it is that good) we will want to know what is involved, otherwise we would be just taking your word for it that our cars won't be damaged and it will be OK, and as we are all discussing, just a verbal 'oh it will be OK', is obviously not enough. If you describe the procedure then everyone here will *know* it is safe and maybe a great option for them!
Mind you, in reality all the tuners are as secretive as each other. This is because they all know that if they all have the same tools, the same ECU maps and same knowledge, then what it *all* comes down to at the end of the day, as far as the customer is concerned, is whom is cheaper and has the best customer service.
If XX garage says they have a method to squeeze XX more horsepower from your car without modifying the ECU, they aren't going to let it be known how it is done or someone could either improve it, or undercut their price.
Therefore tuning is not a true competitive market, it is more like who's 'club' you want to be in and who's methods you prefer.
Anyway, that is my take on all this.
Amusing though watching all the testosterone fuelled posturing that goes on around here these days! Bring back the days when people asked for help and got impartial advice from other members.
The only way to bring that back would be to ban all commercial parties from posting. If they want a presence on the forum, they should pay for an advert! Simple as.

Later.

Hi Dan

I am quite happy to tell everyone what i do with there cars as any of my customers will tell you, But as all my tuning work on any car not just volvo includes on road testing using a wideband lambda setup,det can and boost gauge etc means that the tuning is individual to every car and there are no standard methods some cars respond better to tweeking the actuator and the next might need the fueling uprated. My company tunes every car to the individual if you ask me for mid range torque you get it if you ask me for max bhp you get it, within your financial limits of course nothing is impossible it just costs money and takes time etc.

What we do to tune cars!

Carry out complete pre checks to include compression,cylinder leakdown,fuel pressure,ignition, boost pressure etc.

We then make adjustments to them according to information from the equipment used.

Its as simple as that and anyone with the knowledge to make these adjustments can do it for themselves.

Hope this helps.

Thanks Stuart

[sholtby]

Stuart,
How do you adjust the fuellng on a car without a rechip? How on MissD's car do you control the boost so it is around 1 bar to 4k rpm and then 1.3 bar above this? ie exactly how most custom 19t chips work. Why do you need to open the ecu if it is not to rechip it? Is the truth not that you do rechip these cars and whose software do you use or do you use your own?

Thanks
Simon

[SaffronC70]

Originally Posted by sholtby

Stuart,
How do you adjust the fuellng on a car without a rechip? How on MissD's car do you control the boost so it is around 1 bar to 4k rpm and then 1.3 bar above this? ie exactly how most custom 19t chips work. Why do you need to open the ecu if it is not to rechip it? Is the truth not that you do rechip these cars and whose software do you use or do you use your own?

I presume you can use an uprated pressure reg, like an FSE boost valve, to up the pressure - the ECU will not see this, and the valve works on manifold pressure; any boy racer knows of this one !

Perhaps you can fool the sensors on the ECU with inline resistors ? bit like the EBay special resistor chip mod, lol.

With a tweak of the actuator to bring in pick up and spool time, I suppose you could make a pretty fast Volvo.

These are my guesses !

Chris

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by sholtby

Stuart,
How do you adjust the fuellng on a car without a rechip? How on MissD's car do you control the boost so it is around 1 bar to 4k rpm and then 1.3 bar above this? ie exactly how most custom 19t chips work. Why do you need to open the ecu if it is not to rechip it? Is the truth not that you do rechip these cars and whose software do you use or do you use your own?

Thanks
Simon

ha, not sure if stuarts gonna spill that sort of info, its abit like asking vt to post the contents of a rica eprom, when they wont even disclose thinks like what method they use to download code!!!

[MissDMeanor]

With all due respect to Chip Tuning or HLM Tuning, they are a franchise or UK distributor of the Rica product.

On the other hand, Stuart has raced and worked with Volvos for years and built up knowledge through trial and error on his own engines......I can understand if Stuart doesn't wish to divulge this hard-learnt knowledge of how to tune these cars to maximize power

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by MissDMeanor

With all due respect to Chip Tuning or HLM Tuning, they are a franchise or UK distributor of the Rica product.

On the other hand, Stuart has raced and worked with Volvos for years and built up knowledge through trial and error on his own engines......I can understand if Stuart doesn't wish to divulge this hard-learnt knowledge of how to tune these cars to maximize power

yep, forgot that. even though VT have said they have 2 software engineers, they actually buy their software from someone else and resell it, whereas with stuart and marco etc, its their own product.

[MissDMeanor]

Originally Posted by MissDMeanor

With all due respect to Chip Tuning or HLM Tuning, they are a franchise or UK distributor of the Rica product.

On the other hand, Stuart has raced and worked with Volvos for years and built up knowledge through trial and error on his own engines......I can understand if Stuart doesn't wish to divulge this hard-learnt knowledge of how to tune these cars to maximize power

I've just had a strange PM from NatHLM.....

I think you have misunderstood me NatHLM, but my apologies if I have offended you in any way - this was not my intention.

What I was trying to say:- people are making comparisons with the Rica product and Stuart at S W Autos tuning engines. The Rica product (please correct me if I'm wrong) is a product which can be 'bought off the shelf' whereas Stuart's tuning knowledge (the tune he did on my car) has been gained by years of experience. Two completely different types of engine modifications. I think it reasonable for Stuart not to pass on these tricks of the trade which he's worked hard acheiving whereas Rica is a different kettle of fish.

I was not trying to imply that HLM or Chip Tuning do not have years of experience working on cars - I'm sure they do. I was drawing attention to the fact that an engine tune from Stuart is completely different to a ECU upgrade/chip

No offence intended