19T turbo?

[t5er]

Hi everyone,
I own a 1998 v70r awd auto and am wanting more power from her. I am due to get her a new exhaust, ECU upgrade and air filter fitted which im have been informed will give me around 290bhp and 400pound/Nm? torque. I was wondering, If i fit a 19T turbo would this make much of a difference? If so what are we talking in bhp.
Kind Regards and happy motoring
Carl

[Wobbly Dave]

Originally Posted by t5er

Hi everyone,
I own a 1998 v70r awd auto and am wanting more power from her. I am due to get her a new exhaust, ECU upgrade and air filter fitted which im have been informed will give me around 290bhp and 400pound/Nm? torque. I was wondering, If i fit a 19T turbo would this make much of a difference? If so what are we talking in bhp.
Kind Regards and happy motoring
Carl

I have a 19T, ITG panel filter, ferrita race cat, miltec cat back and a custom map. Software needs to go with the hardware. Not much gain to be had without it.

My C70 was measured 291BHP and 430NM torque at the wheels. Allowing 15% loss through the transmission (as purely an estimate) - 335 bhp

[don kalmar union]

Good morning Carl,

We may have spoken on the 'phone recently as you figures are pretty close to those I give for the MTE software upgrade.

The MTE software upgrade will give 280bhp and 420nm. on your particular car. Your question of the effect of a 19T on your car is really answered by MTE's figures for a '99 car which is fitted with the 19T (the only Volvo to have that very turbo as standard): they are 290bhp and 420nm. The MTE software installation on your car is £299 including VAT.

So, with well written software the difference is just 10bhp with no torque increase for an outlay of at least £800 plus fitting for a 19T.

The advantage of the 'sports' twin pipe exhaust on these AWD cars is not so great as you have to leave the first silencer after the cat, unless of course you want to cut it out. Then you have the problem of not being able to fit a special downpipe with cat as there is just no space to get it into the space available on a right hand drive AWD vehicle.

If we have not already spoken I would like to point out that the MTE software is installed in your car by removing the ECU from the vehicle and attaching it to the MTE kit without opening it. There is no unsoldering, resoldering to be done or any use of stand alone devices.

If you were to have the MTE installation I would recomend you verifying the results at Well Lane Turbo in Batley who have experience of some of my customers cars in your part of the world.

I keep the Ferrita twin pipe stainless exhaust in stock in the UK.

Please call me on 01462 894100 if I can help at all.

Regards, Don.Norchi.

[carpy]

I think though that taking into account the existing turbo age, the gains would be more than the 10bhp. You won't be getting the full amount from your current turbo due to old age & wear so you might be 20bhp or so down compared to when your car was new.

Changing for a new 19T would possibly get this back, then add the extra due to the larger turbo on top.

My 850R is currently running about 280bhp (crank) and it won't go any more. I've been advised that the 19T would be good not only for reclaiming the lost BHP but also for adding more on top! The problem is the cost. Say £650 for the 19T, £650 for the downpipe & race cat - then a remap and some labour etc too. Not cheap.

[don kalmar union]

Good morning Carpy,

You can get 300bhp at the crank with the right software together with turbo changes and a full exhaust system. Adding an ally. intercooler will help a great deal with sustained heavy use as will water injection, head work etc.

From memory your car has as standard a 16T, the 18T falls very little short of the 19T and may help on the cost of changing downpipes. Turbo Technics Hybrid Garrett for these cars is also worthy of consideration. Some on this forum have good results with that TT unit and MTE software (t4,s and t5's).

The 16T, albeit with angled flange, on my S60 T5 racecar sustains 325bhp or thereabouts in 2,3 and 4 hour races, but with a lot of specialist work and just some specialist parts, but is for that application at or near its limit, but the exhaust gas temp. gauge on the car shows readings well within limits......so, with good mapping your 16T, if in good nick, will get you a fair way.

Regards, Don.Norchi.

[don kalmar union]

Good morning Carpy,

You can get 300bhp at the crank with the right software together with turbo changes and a full exhaust system. Adding an ally. intercooler will help a great deal with sustained heavy use as will water injection, head work etc.

From memory your car has as standard a 16T, the 18T falls very little short of the 19T and may help on the cost of changing downpipes. Turbo Technics Hybrid Garrett for these cars is also worthy of consideration. Some on this forum have good results with that TT unit and MTE software (t4,s and t5's).

The 16T, albeit with angled flange, on my S60 T5 racecar sustains 325bhp or thereabouts in 2,3 and 4 hour races, but with a lot of specialist work and just some specialist parts, but is for that application at or near its limit, but the exhaust gas temp. gauge on the car shows readings well within limits......so, with good mapping your 16T, if in good nick, will get you a fair way.

What have you got to get to your 280 or so?

Regards, Don.Norchi.

Attn. a mod! could you take out my first post....

[Georgey dee]

how much power can i get from mine with just a sofetware update, no other mods?

[Engineer]

Originally Posted by t5er

Hi everyone,
I own a 1998 v70r awd auto and am wanting more power from her. I am due to get her a new exhaust, ECU upgrade and air filter fitted which im have been informed will give me around 290bhp and 400pound/Nm? torque. I was wondering, If i fit a 19T turbo would this make much of a difference? If so what are we talking in bhp.
Kind Regards and happy motoring
Carl

Hi t5er, IMHO if you’re buying brand new and thinking long term performance why not just go for a GT Garrett spec to suit, as the prices ain’t that far apart from the other turbo’s mentioned and this BB range with regard to durability and performance, modified or not is way in front. Failing that and providing your original turbo is ok then just add a metalic race cat to your list. Could be a cheaper option in the long run depending on your original quote.

Can’t quite get my head around the 360-370 BHP quoted output for the T28 though, is it still running. Only joking.


pyaap, off topic slightly but is your GT30 a standard 0.64 A/R?

[PNuT]

the one thing i havent spotted (maybe i missed it?) is price???

[smartbomb]

Originally Posted by PNuT

the one thing i havent spotted (maybe i missed it?) is price???

I you're interested, give Turbo Technics a ring. My own turbo was done at a special one-off price becuase this particular turbo configuration had never been fitted to a T4 before, and I think they just wanted to see if it could be done, and how much work it would be. Now that it's proven so successful they have a drop-in kit ready with all the necessary flanges and so on for most Volvos. Best idea is to call them. The one thing I can tell you is that it will be no more expensive than a 19T.

Paul