850 t5

who here has chipped their 850 t5 and had it dynoed b4 and after, what were the results and how does it feel on the open road?

Hi there i had my 96 850 T5 dynoed 3 months before remapping it showed 223 bhp at the flywheel and 194 at the wheels by a garage who specialises in engine rebuilding ,when it was remapped i had it dynoed by the garage who remapped it at 321bhp at the flywheel and 254 at the wheels,cant remember what the torque figure was but it was way up on standard figures.
I then got the first garage who specialised in engine rebuilding to dyno the car again after remapping was done(and head gas flowed ported and polished) this showed 255 bhp at the wheels and 323bhp at the flywheel,torque went up to 378ibs which believe me is awesome pulling power in comparison to what i had prior to remapping and engine rebuild.
On the open road the car has been described by someone who has a chipped suburu impreza with plenty of mods as "nuts" i think its a differant car ,it boosts up to 1.3 + bar which i think is close to 20psi in 3rd/4th and 5th gear under full load in 1st and 2nd it boosts to 1.1 bar,at 80mph when in 5th gear you push on the accelerater not all the way the wheels start spinning ,trust me i dont need any more mods after this apart from bigger brakes because it is harder to stop,the drivability of the car is much better their is no need to rev past 3000 revs the power kicks in hard early to achieve faster acceleration without having to drive the car up to 5,000 revs.I speak for myself only i obviously cannot guarantee that your car wont break down due to engine failure etc.

But if you are wiling to spend the money and take the risk and the car continues to be reliable ,trust me when i tell you ,you wont look back ,that you will have a seriously fast car that you will be content with.

hope this helps

jason

[pault5]

hello jason,
i have a simple question for you. who remapped your t5? as i also own a 96 850 t5 and have been thinking of getting it chipped for months.
thanks, paul.

What chip did you use? A near 100bhp increase by chip alone or even with a new exhaust is well above what all the chip manufacturers claim.

Also I am surprised the conrods have not bent with all that bhp at the flywheel.

The gasflowed head only gave you 2bhp increase at the flywheel !!!.

I became very sceptical of rolling road numbers and just became satisfied with the number of cars I left behind on the open road - that gives a much better indication of the power.

Karl

Hi Paul ,
A company called Hamish Lindsay Motorsport in bromsgrove remapped the car for me they had it on the dyno for almost 6 hours its quite scary watching the car basically having the guts driven out of it and rubber been burnt off the wheels ,but the differance in the car when remapped is huge the contact number i have is 0044 1527577710 i am ringing from ireland so i think the 0044 is dropped ask for adam ,i found the guys excellent they really made sure the car left the garage running as i had expected.I am not sure if the remap is soley responsible for the power gains alone due to the fact that other modifications (listed below) have been done over the past 2 years but i certainly noticed a bigger gain in power with this mod than any other.

hope this is of some help.

Jason
Goodrich braided brake lines
koni adjustable suspension all round
bilstein uprated and lowered 35 mm springs
volvo strut brace
rica ecu remap AND DYNO
head ported polished and gas flowed
itg panel filter
ngk iridium competition plugs
magnecor ignition leads
blitz boost gauge/exhaust gas temp/oil pressure gauge
powerflex bushes front wishbones
powerflex bush top engine mount
3" downpipe BEST MOD MADE
cat removed
delocked
17" masaitaly vt7 wheels.

Hi Karl,
I used the Rica remap Provided by Hamish lyndsy Motorsport they had it on the dyno for nearly 6 hours .
The large increase in power surprised me to say the least but 2 differant dyno s dont lie and as you say yourself the proof is in the pudding the runs against other cars including standard T5R s/750 bmw/M3/audi tt/2.2 honda prelude have been awesome every time ,a friend of mine has a wrx 2002 with a prodrive full exhaust system boosting at 1.3 bar apart from the standing start, up to 50 mph due to the 4 wheel drive the T5 just pulls away from his all the way.
Apparently the conrods will take about 360 bhp after a lot of research i might add,the problem with bending the rods i am led to believe is that they dont like big boost on early revs ie 2,250 revs at 1 bar+ mine boosts progressively from 0.66-0.99-1.1-1.3+peaking at 5200 revs allowing the rods to gather momentum rather than a big jolt they receive all of a sudden.
Regarding the increase in bhp after the head was gasflowed etc i cannot give you a breakdown of the increase in bhp after each mod was done,because they were done on the car then run on a dyno.
Before i got the head done the car was quick,when the head was done by a well recongised racing company in ireland the power from 3500 up was much better by far ,i then got a 3" downpipe this made an even bigger differance the torque was huge ,the air box was then played around with and the air intake made shorter plus a few other bits,wastegate actuator ,prior to the remap. the final result is amazing the car is totally differant.

what mods have you got done on your car Karl how do you find it? do you use octane booster?

jason
Goodrich braided brake lines

koni adjustable suspension all round

bilstein uprated and lowered 35 mm springs

volvo strut brace

rica ecu remap

head ported polished and gas flowed

itg panel filter

ngk iridium competition plugs

magnecor ignition leads

blitz boost gauge/exhaust gas temp/oil pressure gauge

powerflex bushes front wishbones

powerflex bush top engine mount

3" downpipe

cat removed

delocked

17" masaitaly vt7 wheels.

[pault5]

hi again jason,
i guessed your remap was done by rica when i read one of your posts on another subject. any way my t5 goes to hml first thing tomorrow for a standard remap.
2.5 inch cat back.
itg air filter.
magnecor leads.
volvo strut brace.
bilstein shocks.
eibach 1 inch lower springs.
samco water,turbo hoses.
bleed valve.[removed for rica remap.]
cant wait,
paul.

Hi

I had a V70R AWD with the RICA chip but because it was AWD it could not be dynoed at Birmingham. When it first went on a dyno it had RICA + catback +ITG filter - it gave 267 bhp at the flywheel. Later on I had a 19T turbo and a remap. It gave 299 bhp at flywheel. This was well below the 310 bhp quoted by those in Birmingham. It was then that I learned all about the Bu**sh*t about rolling roads and dyno.
Dynos seem to use an number of factors that go into a calculation and these seem to be picked out of the clouds by the operator. Hence they can tell you what they think you want to be told.

Example

Car is standard so they show you that on dyno. 250 bhp
Add chip and re dyno (they show you an increase because there MUST be one otherwise you will not pay). The figs you have been given are way above even the exagerated claims of RICA - so just be aware.

Go to a different dyno and tell them the car is standard - and see what they come up with?
All the other mods you have done will have no effect on power.(downpipe excepted).

Even with all this - all that counts is that the car is quick - mine was very fast (Porsche carrera 4 , BMW M3, Imprezza)but I gave up on dyno numbers and just enjoyed myself showing others what an estate could do.

Have fun.

Karl

If anyone is interested in an 850T5 chip, I bought one some time ago, its a speer chip, but I never got to fit it. Instead I bought a V70R AWD. There is a web site, if you can read German???
www.speer-chiptuning.de

Beetle3501@btinternet.com

I am open to offers

[pault5]

hi carl,
i know thier is a lot of bs with ecu tuners claimed bhp figures but i have to find out for myself if a tuned ecu makes a significant difference.i will keep you all posted.
paul.