Shell Shocked! End of the Road for LPG?

[Bigcheese1]

Thanks Andy.

You're too kind!

[9000Parts]

Try living where I live then

LPG = 2.18TL
Petrol = 3.95TL
97RON = 4.10TL
Diesel = 3.15TL

The exchange rate is about 2.25TL-£1 so LPG is nearly £1 a litre and decent petrol is approaching £2/litre!

[Bigcheese1]

That's terrible!
I went to Turkey on holiday this year and was amazed at the price of fuel compared to the average wage.
I assume TL does stand for Turkish Lira.

[Bigcheese1]

Prices still going up!

Shell at Fenstanton just gone up another 2p to 75.9!
Morrisons charging 70.9, even Flogas are charging 67.0 and say they've been told to expect increases any time soon.

Anyone else experiencing big increases outside Cambridgeshire?

[yarnik]

Just for comparison, over here in France LPG is around 0.65 euros / litre (@0.55£). In Belgium it is MUCH cheaper.
Also in France we can buy Ethanol (E85). I pay around 0.75€ per litre and the conversion cost me less than 100€, diy.

[thealchemyst]

Originally Posted by 9000Parts

Try living where I live then

LPG = 2.18TL
Petrol = 3.95TL
97RON = 4.10TL
Diesel = 3.15TL

The exchange rate is about 2.25TL-£1 so LPG is nearly £1 a litre and decent petrol is approaching £2/litre!

yeah but at least you get the sunshine to drive round in! ;0)
I remember getting 4.4million turkish lira to the pound! those were the days...

[Bigcheese1]

Typical! Just found some reasonably priced fuel but the pump wouldn't work in the cold weather. Took 10 minutes to get less than 2 litres of fuel before it gave up altogether.

Is this a common problem?

[capt jack]

Yep, LPG pumps do seem to slow down in very cold weather, although I've never known one that wouldn't deliver at all, unless there was another problem of course.

I've found that it pays not to be the first LPG fill up of the day - the gas can take an age to reach the filler, and that sometimes, simply un-coupling and then reconnecting the filler can solve the problem.

LPG is a mixture of propane and butane, and each behaves differently in different ambient temperatures, so it might have something to do with the mix of gases at that particular site.

As I understand it propane will become gaseous at much lower temperatures than will butane, and that butane will not 'gas' much below freezing. Then again, I think that pressure will have a lot to do with it too.

I guess a camping stove expert is needed here!

cheers

Jack

[classicswede]

Originally Posted by capt jack

LPG is a mixture of propane and butane, and each behaves differently in different ambient temperatures, so it might have something to do with the mix of gases at that particular site.



cheers

Jack

In the UK LPG is pure propane. In the rest of europe Autogas is normaly a mix of propane and butane with upto 50% butane content.

[capt jack]

Originally Posted by classicswede

In the UK LPG is pure propane. In the rest of europe Autogas is normaly a mix of propane and butane with upto 50% butane content.

I stand corrected! I'd always believed that LPG was a mixture of the two gases! I guess if I'm going to say something and be just plain wrong it might as well be on the interweb in front of millions!!!



Does this mean that a UK LPG car needs to be set up differently for use overseas? The one time I took my V70 to France I filled up a couple of times over there, and apart from needing an adaptor, there were no issues at all. Although come to think of, it did start misfiring on the way home, but I put that down to to tired plug leads because the problem went away when I fitted a new set.......but of course it could equally well have been the fact that I then filled up again with UK LPG/propane.

The whys and wherefores of this would be very interesting!

Cheers

Jack