How many more ponies does it need..

[volvo s60 2001]

... to be at least equal with the others?

https://youtu.be/A_R92Obvbfc

[DocAce]

I wonder how much of this comes down to kerb weight? I think the Volvo is carry around 500lbs more than the BMW but haven't got exact figures to hand.

[volvo s60 2001]

Originally Posted by DocAce

I wonder how much of this comes down to kerb weight? I think the Volvo is carry around 500lbs more than the BMW but haven't got exact figures to hand.

Yes I know it is a lot heavier than the others, but what is the point of the whole complex engineering? I doubt it is more economical compared to the other three! All these batteries are a dead weight and everything is more expensive to fix and produce. Instead of making a very good 6 cylinders turbo engine, they made something pointless IMO!

[DocAce]

Originally Posted by volvo s60 2001

Yes I know it is a lot heavier than the others, but what is the point of the whole complex engineering? I doubt it is more economical compared to the other three! All these batteries are a dead weight and everything is more expensive to fix and produce. Instead of making a very good 6 cylinders turbo engine, they made something pointless IMO!

I think the idea of a variant purely marketed for performance is probably misguided yes.

However, looking at the S60 T8 from the perspective of someone who wants to be able to travel 20 - 30 miles on pure electric, never worry about range, achieve good MPG on average journeys, have excellent safety facilities and be able to show a clean set of heals to most other things on the road... it probably makes great sense

[volvo s60 2001]

Originally Posted by DocAce

I think the idea of a variant purely marketed for performance is probably misguided yes.

However, looking at the S60 T8 from the perspective of someone who wants to be able to travel 20 - 30 miles ofon pure electric, never worry about range, achieve good MPG on average journeys, have excellent safety facilities and be able to show a clean set of heals to most other things on the road... it probably makes great sense

I understand what you mean, but when will the 20-30 miles of pure electric (which cost money as well) justify the price and penalty of the weight?
In my opinion NEVER!!!

[Chief inspector]

Originally Posted by volvo s60 2001

I understand what you mean, but when will the 20-30 miles of pure electric (which cost money as well) justify the price and penalty of the weight?
In my opinion NEVER!!!

If you need to be in one of the proposed ZEZ’s you’ll need one if you also need big and unfettered range.

Volvo will have a much smaller development budget for their car compared to the other 3.

[Automatic Only]

The appeal lies in company car tax buyers IMO.
BMW & Audi at around £7k tax for a higher rate taxpayer versus about £3.5k for the Volvo. The Mercedes even higher than the BMW & Audi (around £8k I think).
My XC60 T8 is now due for delivery on the 14th after nearly an 8 month wait (hooray!) and I'm afraid I do feel rather smug when I notice that I will be paying less in company car tax than my brother who has a diesel Passat with a list price of about half the amount!

[MOzS90]

Weight will always be the biggest enemy of performance. Lightest car out there is the quickest despite not having the most power, traction or torque.

Volvo are built to feel substantial. That will never make them quick.

[Fursty Ferret]

Lighter cars + launch control mean that this was never going to be a fair fight. Tyre choice is also going to have an impact on a day like that too.

[Automatic Only]

A quick glance does reveal that the Volvo is (at least officially) faster than the Audi to 60 but obviously not what they were testing there exactly... Interesting anyway. The fact that around 80% of the power is to the front wheels only probably doesn't help either.