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Jun 27th, 2019, 20:45 | #1 |
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Grey smoke on start; valve stem seals?
Hi I own a 1999 S40 T4, phase 1.5 (1.9t), and my car has begun to puff out a great grey smoke cloud for 4-5 seconds on SOME start ups, doesn't matter if the car is cold or warm.
I decided to check the pcv system, but it all seems fine, no clocked lines. Pulled out the spark plugs, and noticed 1 of them looked like this https://imgur.com/a/hGiGW16 ... Looking into the cylinder of that bad spark plug, I found what looks to be a pool of oil https://imgur.com/a/3oJ2oIR , compared to the cylinder next to it https://imgur.com/a/Z3S7tXE Engine runs great, and there's no smoke after those initial couple of seconds.. Doesn't use ANY water. I did the rubber glove test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nfLL5GpgxQ), and it sucked the entire glove into the engine (Had it fastened with zipties so it wouldn't disappear in there.) Could this be anything other than a valve stem seal leaking onto the piston when the car is turned off? This is an example of one of the times when it started smoking https://youtu.be/yLAalVRVw_A Cheers Last edited by Asosis; Jun 27th, 2019 at 21:00. |
Jun 29th, 2019, 10:02 | #2 |
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Grey smoke on start; valve stem seals?
I used to work at an engine remanufacturing company and we would come across this problem frequently chances are the valve guides will be worn and also the stem seals, my advice is as the car is of a certain age just leave it but check the oil on a regular basis.
The fact that it clears after a few minutes is a tell tale sign that on stand still the oil that's in the top end is seeping past the stem seals and going down the guides into the fireing chamber. I had a Toyota Celica with the same problem it ran for years. Hope that helps. |
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Stem seal issues or worn valve guides will often show up after coasting down long inclines in gear and then accelerating at the bottom. Looking in the rear view mirror a cloud of swirling smoke will be evident for a few seconds behind the car. (white or blue in color)
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My 2002 t4 smokes ever so slightly on startup but nothing at all when driving once up to temperature, apart from after idling once warm, no smoke any other times but absolute plumes of it when you pull away, traffic build up at slowly phasing traffic lights was a perfect scenario where it does it, a garage has had it and said it's not the stem seals the valve guides or the turbo seals, they've told me it must be something bottom end related, although how they've come to the conclusion that it's none of the above I don't know.
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Accidentally double posted.
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It doesn't smoke what so ever after coasting down an incline in gear, and there's no smoke when idling, neither warm or cold.. |
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When she does smoke like in the video clip is there a strong smell of unburned fuel or oil.
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I am wondering if your smoke could be down to early stage oil seal failure of your turbo. Oil leaking into the turbo gets forced into the exhaust manifold and then expelled.
Would explain the smoke when just started up as the oil buildup is removed. I'm not an expert on turbos so maybe a member with more knowledge can confirm or offer their views on this theory. Googling seems to indicate it may be related??? |
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