S80 Remap - Is this Possible? - Page 2

t5_monkey · Feb 6th, 2011, 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRN Motors

thats dyno's for you......lol

very funky topic really when it comes down to dyno's

I get the impression most people would be better off sacrificing a chicken in a pentagram (with horse power numbers in each segment)... and deriving their power output from in which segment the chicken died :-)

benkitto · Feb 7th, 2011, 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRN Motors

one of my customers who has a D5 sports tune has found a vast improvement in mpg, especially on motorway journeys. d

Hi, could you provide further detail on what the improvement was?

Thanks

GRN Motors · Feb 7th, 2011, 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by benkitto

Hi, could you provide further detail on what the improvement was?

Thanks

Hi,

His improvement on his mpg was very good.

When his car was stock, it averaged around the 38 mark. Then with the sports tune it went up to 41/42 and didnt drop below this.

His car went into to Volvo for a service and had the ECU flashed with the latest Volvo software....resulting in him losing the sports tune.

Not a problem, he rang me up telling me this and booked his car in for a free check on his software version, sent the files to Rica. Within minutes i had a revised sports map for his car. We loaded the new map on his car without any issues. All this was done at no cost the customer.

The customer test drove the car with a BIG grin on his face.....

When he got home, he emailed me saying his mpg shot up to 46 and hasn't dropped down since.

it does also come down to driving style etc, and the customer in question is quite a spirited driver at times. So, no doubt there is still possibly room for improvement purely just on a change of driving style.

He also mentioned the the map is very driveable at any speed and revs, and delivery of power is smooth and progressive.

hth

Chad

greyanglia · Feb 8th, 2011, 11:50

Hi Benkitto,

I have a 2009 XC70 VOR D5 Geartronic with the same engine as you (185bhp Euro IV) and I went for the RICA 226bhp upgrade which cost around £600.

I looked across the various forums as this subject seems to generate a fair amount of interest, not least from the suppliers of the upgrade! I went with the RICA 226bhp as it seemed a half way house between a bit of a tweak to 205bhp and a full blown sports upgrade to 240bhp which made me a bit nervous as to whether the engine components could handle it in a couple of years time.

The other thing that swung it for me was that it was carried out by my local Volvo dealership so I have some comfort regarding any possible warranty implications.

I must say I am absolutely delighted with it after nearly six months of motoring and another 10k on the clock. It has removed the awful turbo lag when pulling away from standstill at junctions and gives the car a nice kick down when you need it on the motorway.

I have also seen a slight improvement in fuel consumption although this has been my one criticism of the car overall. My 80 mile daily commute of country lanes, M25 and crawling in traffic in East London gave me no more than 28mpg (via the computer) and it has risen to 30mpg which is in line with RICA's claim of a 5 to 10% increase. I know this is not the most scientific way of measuring fuel consumption but neither is dribbling diesel all over the forecourt trying to brim the tank!

All in all if £600 is within your budget and you do a decent annual mileage I would go for it.

By the way I am sure the other tuning specialists are just as good as RICA but I have explained my choice and I would highly recommend it.

As a ps it was a crying shame Volvo did not get that 3.0 diesel used by Land Rover Jaguar when they were all part of Ford as it is a peach of an engine and way superior to the old D5 which is showing its age in terms of mpg and emissions!

don kalmar union · Feb 8th, 2011, 13:27

Dealers are expressly forbidden to supply anything other than Polestar software.

This excerpt from one of many Volvo Tech. Journals might well be forwarded to your Cowboy dealer..... who chooses to associate themselves with a Dutch business represented here and elswhere by an indivudual banned both from this site in his various furtive forms and at www.t5d5.org for his dishonest representations and business activities..

Subject: TJ SV-SE 23952

Title
Suddenly, Dead Battery

Status
Released

References
SE23952.1.1 en-US

Status Date
2010-12-14

Issuer
-

Issue Date
2010-12-14

Partners
3 SE 0062 Volvo Cars Sweden

Reference
Feature Tour 3111

Functions
Battery, Complete

Appendix

Car type

Type
1XX

Motor

Description Engine

Sales

Bodywork

Gearbox.

Control

Year
2007-9999

Factory

Interval Chassis No.
200605-99999

Interval mounting weeks

CSC

Code
Title

LM
Battery / Battery is dead

LN
Battery / Low voltage

Error Code

Text

* DESCRIPTION: The customer may complain that the battery suddenly discharged overnight. We have found some cases where the problem occurred when the car was tuned with non-approved engine software. We have noticed that some customers are switching to the original engine software before the car is taken to the workshop. Then the problem disappears and the workshop can not find any problems.
A tuning company BSR has discovered a discrepancy in their product;

"Problem with battery drain on some newer Volvo Cars
In newer Volvo Cars of the models S80, XC/V70, XC60, with motor 2.4D/D5 of model year 2009-2011, it has been discovered problems with the battery can be drained in a short time when the car is standing. What has emerged so far is that it does not apply to a specific model with a special engine outright, but there are examples of similar cars in which one has encountered the error. Possibly, it has the equipment level to do and the problem depends on several factors in the cars which all have different solutions.

Our first recommendation if you have experienced any form of draining the battery in a short time is to contact the nearest Volvo, tell them about the problem and ask them to implement a software update. It is a number of controllers that can be updated for it to resolve itself.

Have you done the above and still experience problems, we recommend that you sync your PPC to update it and then tune your car again. We have identified an issue of recharging, which affected the recovery of the controllers from the programming mode is now fixed. If you have not experienced any problems, you would no longer carry out the settlement proposals.

Notice that there is no certainty that any problems with battery drain can be solved by a new reprogramming of PPC. There are other factors that may cause the same symptoms, then a visit to the Volvo is necessary. "

PRODUCT CHANGE:
Not applicable

MATERIAL ENTER:
Not applicable

TECHNICAL REPORT:
Yes. If service solution does not work

* SERVICE:
Give the customer the Counsel to revert to the original engine software.

The above recommendation of the BSR is no action that is supported by Volvo and is therefore a pure client cost. Neither the warranty on cars that are tuned by external trade.

The last few words say it all.....and your local dealer's Principle should have it displayed arround his neck....

Regards, Don.

cloggers · Feb 8th, 2011, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRN Motors

Hi,

When his car was stock, it averaged around the 38 mark. Then with the sports tune it went up to 41/42 and didnt drop below this.

When he got home, he emailed me saying his mpg shot up to 46 and hasn't dropped down since.

Chad

The Rica software for the 2.4D Euro5 175hp gets mileage nowhere near as good as that, and I find it hard to believe that the old D5 can reach that kind of mileage. MY 59 geartronic has NEVER reached 46mpg, not even going 65mph on the motorway! I would take these figures with a pinch of salt...

If you want tuning, find a local guy that you think knows what he does (I did, found a Volvo specialist) and get something with the gizmo (Softloader for Rica) that can put the original map back and allows you to download updates. Wether it is Rica or another similar company. This way your Volvo garage does not need to know either!

As I said before: I will not make the money spend back on saved Diesel costs in a hurry. It will take years, especially taking into account interest/earnings potentially had with the initial outlay. Buy it for the power if you want it. I like it, loads, and find it very addictive.

Good thing about Rica is you get the Eco map if you buy the Power one...

benkitto · Feb 8th, 2011, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloggers

Good thing about Rica is you get the Eco map if you buy the Power one...

Thanks Cloggers...what do you mean by the above? Could you clarify please?
Thanks

cloggers · Feb 8th, 2011, 22:24

Rica offer various maps for some engines. In my case this is an Eco and a Power one. You can buy either the cheaper Eco or the more expensive Power one. If you buy the Power one you also get the Eco map. If you also buy the 'Softloader' you can then switch between the Eco and the Power map.

The Eco map gives low to mid range improvements only. The Power one gets more top end performance. This, if you have an automatic, is a good thing as my auto seems to love kicking down gears when I boot it. And it doesn't suit the standard tune which is a bit lethargic in the top end.

Enough waffle, you need to make your mind up about what you want from your car. Power cost money, fuel can only be saved if you have the restraint not to use the extra power. Good luck...

If you get the remap make sure you get your missus something really good this Monday! You will be in the doghouse otherwise...

GRN Motors · Feb 9th, 2011, 07:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloggers

The Rica software for the 2.4D Euro5 175hp gets mileage nowhere near as good as that, and I find it hard to believe that the old D5 can reach that kind of mileage. MY 59 geartronic has NEVER reached 46mpg, not even going 65mph on the motorway! I would take these figures with a pinch of salt...

If you want tuning, find a local guy that you think knows what he does (I did, found a Volvo specialist) and get something with the gizmo (Softloader for Rica) that can put the original map back and allows you to download updates. Wether it is Rica or another similar company. This way your Volvo garage does not need to know either!

As I said before: I will not make the money spend back on saved Diesel costs in a hurry. It will take years, especially taking into account interest/earnings potentially had with the initial outlay. Buy it for the power if you want it. I like it, loads, and find it very addictive.

Good thing about Rica is you get the Eco map if you buy the Power one...

Hi Cloggers,

those mpg figures were taken from a testimonial from one of my customers.

Another customer with a 2007 V70 D5 AWD manual was averaging around 34 - 37 mpg on standard software (latest software available from Volvo)

Then, with the stage 2 (240hp) Rica upgrade, he is now averaging 41mpg.

These figures were also taken from his testimonial to us.

Might be worth you checking with Volvo if you have the latest version of software on your car.....then getting the remap matched to that.

hth

Chad

GRN Motors · Feb 9th, 2011, 07:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by cloggers

Rica offer various maps for some engines. In my case this is an Eco and a Power one. You can buy either the cheaper Eco or the more expensive Power one. If you buy the Power one you also get the Eco map. If you also buy the 'Softloader' you can then switch between the Eco and the Power map.

The Eco map gives low to mid range improvements only. The Power one gets more top end performance. This, if you have an automatic, is a good thing as my auto seems to love kicking down gears when I boot it. And it doesn't suit the standard tune which is a bit lethargic in the top end.

Enough waffle, you need to make your mind up about what you want from your car. Power cost money, fuel can only be saved if you have the restraint not to use the extra power. Good luck...

If you get the remap make sure you get your missus something really good this Monday! You will be in the doghouse otherwise...

basically yes.......

If you buy the powerful map, you will get the leser maps Free with this...

ie, if you buy the stage 2 (240hp), you will get the ecomap (205hp) and the stage 1 (226hp) free along with this. So you would be getting 3 maps for the price of 1.

or the other way around, if you buy the stage 1 - 226hp (£449.99) and you wanted to upgrade to upgrade to the stage 2 - 240hp (£495) then you would only pay the difference of £45.01

Chad

Feb 8th, 2011, 13:27	#15
don kalmar union Trader Last Online: Yesterday 10:35 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chesham, buckinghamshire	Dealer supplied aftermarket software. Dealers are expressly forbidden to supply anything other than Polestar software. This excerpt from one of many Volvo Tech. Journals might well be forwarded to your Cowboy dealer..... who chooses to associate themselves with a Dutch business represented here and elswhere by an indivudual banned both from this site in his various furtive forms and at www.t5d5.org for his dishonest representations and business activities.. Subject: TJ SV-SE 23952 Title Suddenly, Dead Battery Status Released References SE23952.1.1 en-US Status Date 2010-12-14 Issuer - Issue Date 2010-12-14 Partners 3 SE 0062 Volvo Cars Sweden Reference Feature Tour 3111 Functions Battery, Complete Appendix Car type Type 1XX Motor Description Engine Sales Bodywork Gearbox. Control Year 2007-9999 Factory Interval Chassis No. 200605-99999 Interval mounting weeks CSC Code Title LM Battery / Battery is dead LN Battery / Low voltage Error Code Text * DESCRIPTION: The customer may complain that the battery suddenly discharged overnight. We have found some cases where the problem occurred when the car was tuned with non-approved engine software. We have noticed that some customers are switching to the original engine software before the car is taken to the workshop. Then the problem disappears and the workshop can not find any problems. A tuning company BSR has discovered a discrepancy in their product; "Problem with battery drain on some newer Volvo Cars In newer Volvo Cars of the models S80, XC/V70, XC60, with motor 2.4D/D5 of model year 2009-2011, it has been discovered problems with the battery can be drained in a short time when the car is standing. What has emerged so far is that it does not apply to a specific model with a special engine outright, but there are examples of similar cars in which one has encountered the error. Possibly, it has the equipment level to do and the problem depends on several factors in the cars which all have different solutions. Our first recommendation if you have experienced any form of draining the battery in a short time is to contact the nearest Volvo, tell them about the problem and ask them to implement a software update. It is a number of controllers that can be updated for it to resolve itself. Have you done the above and still experience problems, we recommend that you sync your PPC to update it and then tune your car again. We have identified an issue of recharging, which affected the recovery of the controllers from the programming mode is now fixed. If you have not experienced any problems, you would no longer carry out the settlement proposals. Notice that there is no certainty that any problems with battery drain can be solved by a new reprogramming of PPC. There are other factors that may cause the same symptoms, then a visit to the Volvo is necessary. " PRODUCT CHANGE: Not applicable MATERIAL ENTER: Not applicable TECHNICAL REPORT: Yes. If service solution does not work * SERVICE: Give the customer the Counsel to revert to the original engine software. The above recommendation of the BSR is no action that is supported by Volvo and is therefore a pure client cost. Neither the warranty on cars that are tuned by external trade. The last few words say it all.....and your local dealer's Principle should have it displayed arround his neck.... Regards, Don. __________________ Don.Norchi. MTE performance software , TME and Ferrita stainless exhausts, AP heavy duty clutch kits, KU single mass flywheels and LSDs. 01494 785508. email don@kalmar-union.com www.kalmar-union.com Last edited by don kalmar union; Feb 8th, 2011 at 13:28. Reason: spelling....

Feb 8th, 2011, 11:50	#14
greyanglia New Member Last Online: Jan 12th, 2012 17:12 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tunbridge Wells	Hi Benkitto, I have a 2009 XC70 VOR D5 Geartronic with the same engine as you (185bhp Euro IV) and I went for the RICA 226bhp upgrade which cost around £600. I looked across the various forums as this subject seems to generate a fair amount of interest, not least from the suppliers of the upgrade! I went with the RICA 226bhp as it seemed a half way house between a bit of a tweak to 205bhp and a full blown sports upgrade to 240bhp which made me a bit nervous as to whether the engine components could handle it in a couple of years time. The other thing that swung it for me was that it was carried out by my local Volvo dealership so I have some comfort regarding any possible warranty implications. I must say I am absolutely delighted with it after nearly six months of motoring and another 10k on the clock. It has removed the awful turbo lag when pulling away from standstill at junctions and gives the car a nice kick down when you need it on the motorway. I have also seen a slight improvement in fuel consumption although this has been my one criticism of the car overall. My 80 mile daily commute of country lanes, M25 and crawling in traffic in East London gave me no more than 28mpg (via the computer) and it has risen to 30mpg which is in line with RICA's claim of a 5 to 10% increase. I know this is not the most scientific way of measuring fuel consumption but neither is dribbling diesel all over the forecourt trying to brim the tank! All in all if £600 is within your budget and you do a decent annual mileage I would go for it. By the way I am sure the other tuning specialists are just as good as RICA but I have explained my choice and I would highly recommend it. As a ps it was a crying shame Volvo did not get that 3.0 diesel used by Land Rover Jaguar when they were all part of Ford as it is a peach of an engine and way superior to the old D5 which is showing its age in terms of mpg and emissions!

Feb 8th, 2011, 22:24	#18
cloggers Member Last Online: Dec 30th, 2020 20:50 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Guildford	Rica offer various maps for some engines. In my case this is an Eco and a Power one. You can buy either the cheaper Eco or the more expensive Power one. If you buy the Power one you also get the Eco map. If you also buy the 'Softloader' you can then switch between the Eco and the Power map. The Eco map gives low to mid range improvements only. The Power one gets more top end performance. This, if you have an automatic, is a good thing as my auto seems to love kicking down gears when I boot it. And it doesn't suit the standard tune which is a bit lethargic in the top end. Enough waffle, you need to make your mind up about what you want from your car. Power cost money, fuel can only be saved if you have the restraint not to use the extra power. Good luck... If you get the remap make sure you get your missus something really good this Monday! You will be in the doghouse otherwise...

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