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Old Jul 27th, 2013, 20:18   #31
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you can build a b20 like this one





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Old Jul 27th, 2013, 22:45   #32
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Totally understand 'Classic' I owe a Triumph TR7 with 24K on the clock and would never mess with that as its factory fresh. On the other hand the Volvo has an interior colour that cannot be reproduced in that colour. The engine swap is less about performance and more about economical everyday driver. No point in spending hours welding it back together, painting etc not to use it.

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Sorry- but I just can't understand why you would want to do that to an old Volvo. Why waste a lot of time and money trying to turn a rather sedate 40yr old car into a modern performance vehicle. I just think you are missing the whole point of owning a classic car. If you need a high performance car go and buy one, there are plenty of very affordable Celicas, Skylines, Imprezas about at the moment.
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I think the old "Classic With Performance" car is actually one of the original "Custom" cars, if you think about the old American Hot Rods. I like the idea of a 144 with a modern engine, maybe a T5 engine. That way you get the good looks of the classic car, and the chance to embarrass the Chav in his slammed Focus, so that's a Win-Win if in my opinion.
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Old Jul 28th, 2013, 09:48   #34
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Sorry- but I just can't understand why you would want to do that to an old Volvo. Why waste a lot of time and money trying to turn a rather sedate 40yr old car into a modern performance vehicle. I just think you are missing the whole point of owning a classic car. If you need a high performance car go and buy one, there are plenty of very affordable Celicas, Skylines, Imprezas about at the moment.
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With respect, It is his car to do as he likes with
..Clan's idea re fitting a better Volvo drive train makes more sense, and might be less frowned on by the Insurance company.Personally, It'd be SBC Chevrolet/manual, but I'm old fashioned ( its a generation thing, you know...)
Having driven an early 144 auto, I can remember the almost complete lack of performance (my subsequent 140s were all manual, and none of those were that lively either).The only 164 I have driven was converted from injection to carbs, and went well enough.Still short on pedals though.
the main advantage of Old Volvos for engine swapping is they have a large engine bay, bulletproof back axle and decent brakes.
Compared to roof chops etc, an engine swap is at least reversible should values go through the roof.
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Didn't mean to start a debate! Whoops.

I understand everyone's point of view on this issue. As I have said I would not mess with a pure example, but mine is far from pure.

I love old cars and especially old Volvo's, I spent my summer hols in the boot of a Volvo 245 playing with my toy cars as we dragged the caravan about (Love the safety of the 70's).

Bottom line is, I want to enjoy the old girl as much as possible and a B20 with BW35 is just too costly to run on a daily basis, but one thing is for sure this one is not going on to the banger car track despite many offers.

Lets celebrate diversity. Group hug people!
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Old Jul 28th, 2013, 17:06   #36
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Didn't mean to start a debate! Whoops.

I understand everyone's point of view on this issue. As I have said I would not mess with a pure example, but mine is far from pure.

I love old cars and especially old Volvo's, I spent my summer hols in the boot of a Volvo 245 playing with my toy cars as we dragged the caravan about (Love the safety of the 70's).

Bottom line is, I want to enjoy the old girl as much as possible and a B20 with BW35 is just too costly to run on a daily basis, but one thing is for sure this one is not going on to the banger car track despite many offers.

Lets celebrate diversity. Group hug people!
I'm glad you're not selling to the Banger boys!
As for the BW35 gearbox, I managed to break four of them, leading me to think they're not that great. Then I broke two Ford A4LD gearboxes, which made me think it was ME! THEN I got a Mercedes with an auto, and that bugger was indestructible!

As someone said; it's your car, so you can do what you like. If you go with the engine/transmission swap try to stick with a Volvo donor, just for continuity. Has anyone put a T4 in a 144 before?
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Default Holy thread resurrection batman!!!! 7ish years on??

I'm pretty sure I was not on this forum in 2013 and some people might think that's a good thing but.....(I just read it as results form a search I did on tuning the B30 engine)

I have seen other posts in other threads maybe on other forums cant remember where saying tuning the B30 is futile

they say the crank and block wont handle the power produced etc,
now I have read some dubious posts on forums in my time but that just take the
cake. the block is immensely strong as is the crank.

The standard cranks used in the cars were the same ones in the Penta motors
in Marine applications at a totally reliable 170HP
the standard 164 was between 145HP and 160HP,
depending on the year and fuel system and cam. these power figures are comparable with other 3 litre 6 cylinder motors of the era like the Ford Essex 3.0 and others, in fact the Volvo was more powerful and stronger than most of that era on par with the Mercedes Benz engines of the time, So personally I would tune the B30 because as mentioned earlier an engine swap takes away from the classic status and character of the car.

There are no stroker kits or posh cranks for the B30, as far as I can find there is some for B20 motors to get 2.5 litres and a 3.0 litre B23/B230

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4b28ZScLjM

this video just shows what can be done with a B30

The B30 in this car is running a power output of 644HP and 800nm of torque (in the comments as an answer
from the owner to a question asked about the power output)

yeah just so you read that right SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR,

easier too because its in the car already. Also there have been plenty of 164 club rally cars pushing out 200HP+ in Sweden Finland Norway etc a great sounding engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRjIHeykls

probably the best classic Volvo tuning site in the world loads of good stuff for the B30... https://www.kgtrimning.org/1.html?

just wish my 164 was manual but I do have the column shift automatic though a cool combination
but not as cool as the column shift manual M400 combination, yes it exists but not really that good for performance driving, all the parts are shown in the parts catalogue for the 164 ..if only I could find them for sale...(dreaming)
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Old Feb 16th, 2021, 08:17   #38
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4b28ZScLjM

this video just shows what can be done with a B30

The B30 in this car is running a power output of 644HP and 800nm of torque (in the comments as an answer
from the owner to a question asked about the power output)
Wow. That’s stunning. Don’t like the rims much, but that’s a spectacular way of pulling the horizon closer to you.
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Old Feb 16th, 2021, 13:21   #39
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I'm pretty sure I was not on this forum in 2013 and some people might think that's a good thing but.....(I just read it as results form a search I did on tuning the B30 engine)

I have seen other posts in other threads maybe on other forums cant remember where saying tuning the B30 is futile

they say the crank and block wont handle the power produced etc,
now I have read some dubious posts on forums in my time but that just take the
cake. the block is immensely strong as is the crank.


The standard cranks used in the cars were the same ones in the Penta motors
in Marine applications at a totally reliable 170HP
the standard 164 was between 145HP and 160HP,
depending on the year and fuel system and cam. these power figures are comparable with other 3 litre 6 cylinder motors of the era like the Ford Essex 3.0 and others, in fact the Volvo was more powerful and stronger than most of that era on par with the Mercedes Benz engines of the time, So personally I would tune the B30 because as mentioned earlier an engine swap takes away from the classic status and character of the car.

There are no stroker kits or posh cranks for the B30, as far as I can find there is some for B20 motors to get 2.5 litres and a 3.0 litre B23/B230

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4b28ZScLjM

this video just shows what can be done with a B30

The B30 in this car is running a power output of 644HP and 800nm of torque (in the comments as an answer
from the owner to a question asked about the power output)

yeah just so you read that right SIX HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR,

easier too because its in the car already. Also there have been plenty of 164 club rally cars pushing out 200HP+ in Sweden Finland Norway etc a great sounding engine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlRjIHeykls

probably the best classic Volvo tuning site in the world loads of good stuff for the B30... https://www.kgtrimning.org/1.html?

just wish my 164 was manual but I do have the column shift automatic though a cool combination
but not as cool as the column shift manual M400 combination, yes it exists but not really that good for performance driving, all the parts are shown in the parts catalogue for the 164 ..if only I could find them for sale...(dreaming)
Ineed , all volvo crankshafts were forged steel up until the early 80's when the B230 was launched , The standard B30E was 175 bhp , . a full 35 bhp more than the Ford V6 ..
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Old Feb 20th, 2021, 17:33   #40
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while we are on about tuning the B30 how about this

TWIN OVERHEAD CAM ALLOY HEAD B20 MOTOR!!!!!

https://www.volvotuner.ch/wordpress/...1/IMG_0005.jpg


seems to be a development of the cylinder head in a museum somewhere
still needs the cams drive worked out by the look of it
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