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Considering buying a high mileage XC90 T8 - pitfalls?

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Old Jun 2nd, 2020, 22:46   #11
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OK, so thoughts.....

I prefer the ride of a Momentum on 19inch wheels, and I prefer a light interior without sports seats, but that is just my preference.

The R-Design is, however, undoubtedly the best looking of all the models. Bursting Blue is also I think the best colour. So this is a fantastic looking car and looks in pretty mint condition. Interior looks clean and well presented.

It has obviously been well specced. All the stuff like HUD, heated seats, pano roof etc... were all extras. It is at least as well spec'd as mine and the list of mine was 70k. So this will be probably north of 70k as it is an R-Design. Maybe we are talking about a car which was 72, 73k and it is yours now for just 20k. There is also no need to believe that those 170k miles have done it a massive amount of harm as it would have almost certainly been up and down the motorway as a company car (assumption here, but I don't see anything else as likely). So it could be just as reliable as similar age car that only has 70k on the clock.

Early cars had flaky software, but this improved with various upgrades, and current issue aside mine has been pretty reliable from about month 13 to date (which is month 51 of ownership). Mechanical problems don't seem to have figured too much on the forum, it has all been software or electronic hardware. (btw I bought mine for 2 reasons: 1. It was my company car before so I knew it inside out, and 2. I got a warranty)

But the elephant in the room here - and it is an enormous elephant at that - is that this is a 73k car with potential bills of a 73k car. You can get it for 20k for a reason and that is the risk of massive bills. The mileage potentially prevents you from getting a warranty which would reduce the risk.

It looks a lovely car, but it is a risk. It really comes down to your appetite for risk. Unfortunately I cannot quantify this risk for you, other than to say "these things might go wrong and if they do they might cost this much". Unfortunately I cannot say if that is a chance of 1 in a 1000, or 1 in a 100, or 1 in 10.....

Let us know what you do - perhaps the seller can offer a warranty?
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Also just looked and seems to have advisories for suspension components. Not sure if this is the tester being super cautious, but it is not something I have heard of in any new shape XC90 so far.
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OK, so thoughts.....

I prefer the ride of a Momentum on 19inch wheels, and I prefer a light interior without sports seats, but that is just my preference.

The R-Design is, however, undoubtedly the best looking of all the models. Bursting Blue is also I think the best colour. So this is a fantastic looking car and looks in pretty mint condition. Interior looks clean and well presented.

It has obviously been well specced. All the stuff like HUD, heated seats, pano roof etc... were all extras. It is at least as well spec'd as mine and the list of mine was 70k. So this will be probably north of 70k as it is an R-Design. Maybe we are talking about a car which was 72, 73k and it is yours now for just 20k. There is also no need to believe that those 170k miles have done it a massive amount of harm as it would have almost certainly been up and down the motorway as a company car (assumption here, but I don't see anything else as likely). So it could be just as reliable as similar age car that only has 70k on the clock.

Early cars had flaky software, but this improved with various upgrades, and current issue aside mine has been pretty reliable from about month 13 to date (which is month 51 of ownership). Mechanical problems don't seem to have figured too much on the forum, it has all been software or electronic hardware. (btw I bought mine for 2 reasons: 1. It was my company car before so I knew it inside out, and 2. I got a warranty)

But the elephant in the room here - and it is an enormous elephant at that - is that this is a 73k car with potential bills of a 73k car. You can get it for 20k for a reason and that is the risk of massive bills. The mileage potentially prevents you from getting a warranty which would reduce the risk.

It looks a lovely car, but it is a risk. It really comes down to your appetite for risk. Unfortunately I cannot quantify this risk for you, other than to say "these things might go wrong and if they do they might cost this much". Unfortunately I cannot say if that is a chance of 1 in a 1000, or 1 in a 100, or 1 in 10.....

Let us know what you do - perhaps the seller can offer a warranty?
Thank you. So quite a fair hit on depreciation then. My thoughts were also same regarding high miles in short period of time with one owner. So a lot depends on what info I can get about the ownership and how well it was looked after for repairs and maintenance.

Withe regards repair bills. I'll be honest. For anything non specialist, such as HV battery, supercharger and possibly gearbox - I would be going to my local garage at £35/hr labour.
Generally speaking, changing most parts on cars are pretty much the same process to competent mechanics. It might take longer on some cars, depending on how it's packed together and access.


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Also just looked and seems to have advisories for suspension components. Not sure if this is the tester being super cautious, but it is not something I have heard of in any new shape XC90 so far.
Yes I looked at advisories, all related to suspension, steering/wishbone etc. I would expect garage to put these right whatever the deal is agreed, or knock a certain amount off to cover that work.
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Old Jun 3rd, 2020, 00:51   #14
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Philip Fisher Is right when it comes to cost of ownership/repair bills - but I suppose if you weren’t aware of these you’d be looking at a brand new Kia Sorento instead 🙂 As you already said it yourself- most of the repairs/maintenance costs will match those of an equally priced/equally luxurious car made by Audi, M-B, etc.

And you clearly want this Volvo 🙂

And it’s a good looking, clean, and (seems..) a well maintained car- so I can’t blame you for wanting it.

I say go for it! 🙂
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I remember looking at that one a while back on Auto Trader, although it doesn't seem to be listed on the main auto trader site anymore. Going off the URL, it was listed in January so it's been up for awhile. Might be some scope for haggling there as I recall it was around the same price back then.
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Just my 2 pennyworths - as a more general point I would say that often cars with a high mileage are a lower risk than many people think. At work we have a couple of reps out on the road who do 50-60k miles a year (a variety of vehicles but mainly in VW Touaregs) and if my memory serves me correctly none of them have ever been in the garage for anything other than routine servicing.
My guess is it probably comes down to the fact that high mileage vehicles tend to be better maintained than average as those running them realise they are pushing the cars hard and therefore they need to be looked after properly.
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I remember looking at that one a while back on Auto Trader, although it doesn't seem to be listed on the main auto trader site anymore. Going off the URL, it was listed in January so it's been up for awhile. Might be some scope for haggling there as I recall it was around the same price back then.
Ah ok, didn't think of that. Well done super sleuth
Looks like 24th January?

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Just my 2 pennyworths - as a more general point I would say that often cars with a high mileage are a lower risk than many people think. At work we have a couple of reps out on the road who do 50-60k miles a year (a variety of vehicles but mainly in VW Touaregs) and if my memory serves me correctly none of them have ever been in the garage for anything other than routine servicing.
My guess is it probably comes down to the fact that high mileage vehicles tend to be better maintained than average as those running them realise they are pushing the cars hard and therefore they need to be looked after properly.
completely agree as a general point.
High mileage cars in short period of time are likely to have covered long motorway journeys.
Less stop start is usually less wear on clutch, brakes, starter motor. Engine spends more time working with oil heated to temperature. Often driven at constant speed in highest gear.
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My used car rule of thumb is; newest age, fewest owners, stick to these two and the milage, in particular high milage, is not an issue and usually means a cheaper car. Obviously third party warranties can become an issue over 70k though.

My thinking is lots of miles in short time usually means motorways so as above less stop, start, driving, steering at low speed, parking, driving with cold engine etc etc.

Newest means less time related issues like perished bushes and seals. Also the manufacturer has got on top of any design/manufacture issues ERAD! I'm on a T8 hunt and avoiding 2016 early 2017 XC90 T8's as they're early production on a completely new model and platform. ERAD seems to be the risky part of the T8 but sounds like Volvo have a new design.

Fewer owners I just think it means it's been OK and fairly reliable, if it's a lemon someone would probably get rid, same thing for next owner and the next !!!! 4 owners in 5 years would make me twitchy.

There is a logic behind it but might sounds like madness to some!

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If you want a cheap newer car don’t disregard a salvage catagory N or S car! You do need some knowledge about it, if it’s already been repaired and how well. You might find something in your price range or less with less miles maybe newer and or better spec that will go for the time you want to keep it for. They go for about 30% less than the equivalent model, the stigma is from people who don’t understand about catagory cars and think they are death trap cut and shuts which just isn’t the case in this day and age. There’s bargains to be had but you do need to take someone who can inspect the car to be sure it’s been repaired fully and look at pics before it has repaired so you know what parts had been changed. Once you own one no one will know it’s salvage unless you tell them or they do a hpi to be nosey. It’s between you and the next owner , even the insurance companies do not care if it’s cat N or S but they will pay out less as the value of the car is less than If it was hpi clear but you’d know that having saved 30% or so on it.
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Ah ok, didn't think of that. Well done super sleuth
Looks like 24th January?


completely agree as a general point.
High mileage cars in short period of time are likely to have covered long motorway journeys.
Less stop start is usually less wear on clutch, brakes, starter motor. Engine spends more time working with oil heated to temperature. Often driven at constant speed in highest gear.
Did you go and see it Loofer? Or even buy it?
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