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Swapping tyres...cross climates and summer tyres

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Old Sep 16th, 2019, 18:58   #11
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Except cross climates are summer tyres. Unashamedly summer and tested against summer tyres.

They also have the three peaks symbol and were the first summer tyres to do so.
It doesn't matter whether you refer to a cross climate as a summer tyre, winter tyre or all-seasons - they are marketed as having grip levels on snow akin to those of a winter tyre, something that a stereotypical summer tyre does not have; thus, it is this grip level that is pertinent in the discussion, not the branding.
If you put tyres on one axle that have lots of grip and tyres on another without grip you will end up with an unpredictable car that is unsafe to drive in conditions where grip is demanded. That, in my opinion, is not a safe combination and certainly not a scenario that constitutes the OP being advised that all 'will be fine'.
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Old Sep 16th, 2019, 20:03   #12
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I have just had 2 Cross Climates to replace the OE Pirellis.I moved the existing rears to the front and fitted the Cross Climates on the rear.
Volvo recommend fitting new tyres on the rear if only fitting 2 tyres presumably to give more grip to avoid excessive oversteer.
I have not seen anywhere any indication that summer tyres on the front and ALL WEATHER TYRES, as opposed to WINTER TYRES, on the rear is dangerous or illegal.
I would not mix summer and winter tyres but have no problem with my setup.
The lack of steering feel of the XC60 is a bigger problem..........All IMO of course.
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The lack of steering feel of the XC60 is a bigger problem..........All IMO of course.
What tyre pressures are you running - your lack of steering feel is normally associated with running at high (ECO) pressures?
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35psi all round
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35psi all round
Sounds Ok - just been out to check my car's official 'label plate' which has mine at 33 for my conditions.

Without knowing what type model/year your Volvo is - have your checked on Sensus to see what steering sensitivity your car is set to?
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Ity is a MY17 16 plate XC60 SE Nav and as far as I know it is as factory setting. It steers ok, just feels disconnected , sort of numb.
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Ity is a MY17 16 plate XC60 SE Nav and as far as I know it is as factory setting. It steers ok, just feels disconnected , sort of numb.
Ok, as you have accidentally posted in the wrong forum for your MY17 XC60, can I suggest that you post the question in the below forum applicable to your model/age.
https://www.volvoforums.org.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=187
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The problem of just 2 worn out tyres can be avoided by rotating them in time.
Ah yes rotating a blown out side wall and two nails :-) for some reason it didn't work for me, can't think why :-)
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It doesn't matter whether you refer to a cross climate as a summer tyre, winter tyre or all-seasons - they are marketed as having grip levels on snow akin to those of a winter tyre, something that a stereotypical summer tyre does not have; thus, it is this grip level that is pertinent in the discussion, not the branding.
If you put tyres on one axle that have lots of grip and tyres on another without grip you will end up with an unpredictable car that is unsafe to drive in conditions where grip is demanded. That, in my opinion, is not a safe combination and certainly not a scenario that constitutes the OP being advised that all 'will be fine'.
Marketing aside- CrossClimates are really neither a proper summer nor a winter tire. They fare well in dry breaking only- but other than that- they are as bad as any other economy tire brand (here’s a this year’s comparative warm-weather test with mainstream summer tires: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...-Tyre-Test.htm ) They are particularly bad in lateral stability- and I am certain this would be amplified by putting them on the rear axle alone while keeping old summer tires up front.

Truth be told- the only argument for CrossClimates over proper summer/winter tires is economy. And I personally fail to understand that (with all due respect for everyone’s choice..) there are people buying €60K or €80K SUVs equipped with latest safety gimmicks- cutting no corners kitting them with bells and whistles- yet skimp on rubber. Skip the B&W stereo, or those massaging seats- and put some proper tires on that car!
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Truth be told- the only argument for CrossClimates over proper summer/winter tires is economy.
With all due respect, it’s also about convenience. Setting aside the issue of putting them on only one axle, which I wouldn’t do, I don’t want to swap summers for winters, or store them. Also, that test seemed to cast the crossclimates in a poorer light than previous tests. In the real world, I don’t push my tyres to extremes, as tests like this do, so in reality, a set of crossclimates, in winter conditions, and for my kind of driving, summer or winter, make them perfect for me. A difference in stopping distance of one or two meters, or “marginally” worse lateral grip, doesn't matter to me, if I can get to work, in snowy conditions.

I would never consider them a “budget” tyre either.
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