No Mount for Slave Cylinder?

[ddininio]

Hi All,

I've got a '64 Amazon that is missing the transmission linkage. It's an M40 transmission. I've got the new parts but there is no where to mount the slave cylinder to the bell housing. I've looking at diagrams, articles and even watched Wheeler Dealers episode and all housings have a mount for the slave cylinder. Mine doesn't. Do I have the wrong housing or am I missing something?

See the two pictures attached. One shows the mount (not mine), the other shows mine (no mount)



Dave

[Ron Kwas]

Dave;

First picture is of the Bell housing with Hydraulic Slave, where actuator rod pushes on (forged) throwout lever (as can be seen).
Second picture is of a later Bellhousing with Clutch Cable (not present), where cable pulls on (formed sheetmetal) throwout lever (visible).

So it looks like you've got a cable type bellhousing when in a '64 (with hydraulic clutch), you should have an early type bellhousing.

See also: https://www.sw-em.com/Clutch_-_cable_actuated_Notes.htm

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...

[ddininio]

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the feedback. How would you suggest I move forward? Change the bell housing to a hydraulic one, or change to a cable system? There is no room for the clutch arm to be pushed (towards back of car). There is only room for it to be pulled towards the engine. Do both hydraulic and cable pull the arm?

[Derek UK]

Do you have a clutch master cylinder fitted with push rod from the pedal? '64 was Hydraulic with B18. Cable came when Volvo fitted the B20. It's possible that you have a B20/M40? You can mix and match a bit but most would stay away from using a cable clutch on a B18 Amazon. Did Canada have B20 Amazons officially, USA didn't. Bottom line fit a B18 bell housing with hydraulic slave set-up. Hydraulic pushes, cable pulls. The levers are mounted differently inside the bell housing to make this possible.

[ddininio]

Hi Ron,

I know that I have a B18 engine and an M40 transmission. I don't think the hydraulic will work as there is no room between the arm and housing for the arm to be "pushed". There is lots of room for it to be pulled which looks like it was meant for. I would rather not remove the transmission to put a new bell housing in. How difficult would it be to convert it to a cable system?

[Volvo_133]

As others have mentioned, the operating arm on a hydraulic clutch is different on the cable type. With the hyd bellhousing and operating arm fitted you will have room for the cyl piston to push. Unless the tunnel has been modified at sometime.
I can remove my gearbox, replace the clutch and refit the gearbox in 4 hours including a tea break! I think your biggest issue will be finding a hyd type bellhousing.
The later cars with the cable clutch do look messy under the hood. Your car will also be period correct if left hydraulic.

[grumpydad]

Hi
put a pic up of the bulkhead where the clutch and brake cylinder are
that will tell all

[ddininio]

@Volvo 133 - I'm not worried about being period correct or if it looks messy. I definitely know the arm is for a cable, not a piston. But you're right. I can't find a hydraulic housing anywhere. And I have 2 extra cable ones as well. So let's say I want to stay with cable.

@ Ron - attached are 2 pics of the bulkhead. As you can see there is a hold to the right of the brake cylinder where the clutch cylinder goes. I guess the question is, can I run a cable through the firewall and attached it to the pedal? I know I need a pedal with the hook at the top for the cable connect.

[Ron Kwas]

dd;

The short answer is no...remember, anything CAN be done, but the question to be answered first is: should it be...

Converting the Clutch Pedal from a push-a-rod-into-the-Master-Cyl to a pull-a-cable-end-with-respect-to-a-sheath is quite involved, and not really necessary when the parts to put yours right exist...I suggest you get a hydraulic suitable Bellhousing and associated parts (any 122 donor car will do, and don't tell me you cant find one of those!)

Cheers

[ddininio]

Ron,

I will follow your expert opinion and try to find a hydraulic housing. Unfortunately 122s are very rare in Toronto and Canada for that matter. But I will find one and make it right. Thanks for the advice and support.

Dave