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Oct 14th, 2019, 23:33 | #31 | |
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Oct 15th, 2019, 09:44 | #32 | |
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A simple illustration, DeLorean needed an ashtray and selected one from a supplier. This was one for the 914/916. Porsche had paid for the injection tooling for the lid so it could not be sold to them. A new tool was made for DeLorean, which changed the appearance of the lid by adding ribs. Problem solved.Porsche owned the rights to their tooling and the parts made from it. They did not own the rights to the materials and manufacturing methods used. Parts manufactured to a specification can be sold to anyone UNLESS tooling or other costs have been paid for by X. I could give you many more examples but it will not convince you that parts meeting Volvo specs are legally available other than via the dealers. |
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Oct 15th, 2019, 11:26 | #33 |
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I find Michelin wiper blades the cheapest at around £7 each
They normally last 2 years I buy them from cost co |
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You're missing the point... take brake pads for example. The mix of ingredients to make the friction material is the intellectual property of Volvo who over many years of their own research and with partners have amassed a considerable knowledge on the topic. Volvo will instruct several manufacturers to make their brake pads using that mix - they will pay x per unit and in that contract they will specifically prohibit that manufacturer using that mix for any other product or selling the Volvo pads under any other route. Any tools or forms required are another issue - usually the cost of creating them are amortised over the contract and yes as you elude to the manufacturer will also be restricted from using that tooling for any other customer - which is exactly why brake pads from the same OEM manufacturer under their own label will not only have a different brake pad mix (likely inferior) - they might not even fit as well... Just as Tesco or Sainsbury's own label baked beans or strawberry jam will never be exactly the same as the the independent brand in whose factory they are made... It's not just Volvo - Many of Jaguar Land Rover brake parts come from the Teves factory in Ebbw Vale in Wales - it's the same there. You can even have bespoke colour coded brake calipers on your new Jag/Landy but you cannot buy them (or the genuine brake pads) through any other route than the dealer network.
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My experience of automotive brands including but not limited to Volvo is that they will issue a performance spec and drawings to several approved suppliers who will then design and offer a product to meet the spec and drawing. The product is then tested and those that meet the requirements will provide pricing and the battle with the buying department starts. Usually the best value wins the deal. Tooling is either amortised or subject to a separate purchase order. That is how it works Now, you have for the sake of argument, 2 suppliers deemed suitable and bidding. Supplier A wins on value which leaves supplier B with costs that he cannot recover and for which he has made tooling that he has paid for. He is quite at liberty to sell that product under his own brand as suitable for X vehicle. A far cry from wiper blades. It is ludicrous to suggest that Volvo would design a wiper blade and tell Bosch etc to make it like that. It is stretching credulity far too far. They would ask for a blade with a performance and dimension to suit their requirements and be smart enough to let the experts do the rest. Unless of course you believe that Volvo are the experts for every component that they use? That is my last word on the subject as any suggestion that Volvo are not unique seems to stir up a hornets nest. |
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Oct 15th, 2019, 18:13 | #38 |
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Loving this technical discussion as I do actually work for a Tier 1 supplier into Volvo.
I know who is correct but I'm not getting involved (yet) as I'm enjoying the debate
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I was STA for a local large OE for 20 years and the last 20 as Global Quality Director for a major Tier 1 supplier into Volvo, Ford, Porsche, BMW, VW/Audi, Skoda, Fiat and Daimler/Chrysler.
If you know the area you can guess where I've worked
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