"Safety" camera van

[TheLeeds]

Originally Posted by daveyonthemove

If your MOT expired 'a few days ago' and you are driving it anywhere other than an MOT test station, you run the risk of invalidating your insurance in the event of a crash, or getting points/fine at the road side...........

Originally Posted by capt jack

..............no MOT = no insurance = points and a fine. If you'd been unlucky enough to have had a bump then you'd be deep in the doo-doos, even if you were entirely blameless.

Originally Posted by Austin160

.............As with any vehicle on the road, it's known roadworthiness would need to be respected - valid MOT or not (being driven to/from a pre booked MoT). If it proved to be unroadworthy then an offence is committed and this could invalidated the insurance.

Incorrect.

The suggestion that a lack of MOT can somehow invalidate insurance is an urban myth. There is no legislation or case law to back it up, and there are in fact very limited circumstances under which insurance is not valid. Having no current MOT is not one of them.

Section 148 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 says aspects of a motor insurance policy which attempt to restrict the insurance of the persons insured by the policy due to for example the condition of the vehicle, will have no affect.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/148

[chadders1033]

Originally Posted by TheLeeds

Incorrect.

The suggestion that a lack of MOT can somehow invalidate insurance is an urban myth. There is no legislation or case law to back it up, and there are in fact very limited circumstances under which insurance is not valid. Having no current MOT is not one of them.

Section 148 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 says aspects of a motor insurance policy which attempt to restrict the insurance of the persons insured by the policy due to for example the condition of the vehicle, will have no affect.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/148

This is correct no MOT will not invalidate your insurance

[amarshe]

Correct on the third party element of the insurance.

The insurance company could wangle out of paying for any repairs under the comprehensive part (i.e. repairs to your own car).

They may also try and put special conditions or really hike the price on future renewals.

[Marty Dolomite]

The insurance Co would have to prove that the incident was caused by the car not being in a roadworthy condition and the driver knew that the car wasn't roadworthy to avoid a pay out as even having a valid MOT is not prove the car is roadworthy, this has been case proven in court.

Driving a car without a valid MOT will only get you a FPN not points and the police can not impound the car unless it is a dangerous or unroadworthy condition, usually they will give you a PG9 (prohibition) and suggest the car is recovered to a garage or place of repair.

[Marty Dolomite]

Originally Posted by chadders1033

The person operating the van and the camera sits back and reads the paper.

No he doesn't he watches the camera and traffic to make sure it is functioning correctly and so he can 'delete' selected vehicles which saves doing it later when the camera is full of blue light vehicles.

[Marty Dolomite]

Someone has mentioned snoppers that warn you that there may be a camera van but can it tell you about the traffic cop who has just parked up for 10 minutes to point his hand held device or the unmarked police car behind you?

[chadders1033]

Originally Posted by Marty Dolomite

No he doesn't he watches the camera and traffic to make sure it is functioning correctly and so he can 'delete' selected vehicles which saves doing it later when the camera is full of blue light vehicles.

That's not true all vehicles that exceed the speed limit are sent an NIP inc those with blue lights flashing or otherwise. Speeding like almost all RTA laws are absolute offences meaning there is very little if non at all room for defence you're either speeding or you're not etc.
Many an NIP is sent to the supervisors of police officers caught speeding the date time etc are then looked into and if the vehicle is responding to an emergency which will be very easy to find out. The exemption to break the speed limit is enforced and no prosecution brought about. NO vehicles are or should be selected not to be served with an NIP. The operators check and set up & calibrate the equipment at the beginning of the day. The only adjustment that are made are for various speed limits 30,40mph etc

[Marty Dolomite]

Originally Posted by chadders1033

That's not true all vehicles that exceed the speed limit are sent an NIP inc those with blue lights flashing or otherwise.

Must differ according to area and who administers the partnership.

[Odysseus]

Originally Posted by Marty Dolomite

Someone has mentioned snoppers that warn you that there may be a camera van but can it tell you about the traffic cop who has just parked up for 10 minutes to point his hand held device or the unmarked police car behind you?

Yes, I have one. It's a Beltronics 990 and it picks up radar (Gatso) and laser (plod with speed gun). I've had it for about 15 years and to be honest never use it these days, but it's a clever bit of kit. It won't detect the cop behind you, but that's what the Mk I eyeball is for.

[Marty Dolomite]

Originally Posted by Odysseus

Yes, I have one. It's a Beltronics 990 and it picks up radar (Gatso) and laser (plod with speed gun). I've had it for about 15 years and to be honest never use it these days, but it's a clever bit of kit. It won't detect the cop behind you, but that's what the Mk I eyeball is for.

Whats the range on it as the new kit can work at a mile and how do you tell the difference between the new unmarked cars and an sales rep in his BMW ?