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D4 VEA 'add 0.5L' oil level warning

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Old Apr 17th, 2019, 09:03   #1
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Default D4 VEA 'add 0.5L' oil level warning

Shortly after starting a short journey home last night a message popped up to tell me that I needed to add 0.5L of engine oil. I continued home, parked up and turned off, however then realised that I should have parked on a more level location to enable use of the electronic level check. So I immediately restarted the car and moved it; surprisingly the warning message had gone (I did scroll through the messages to check). I then left the car overnight.

This morning I've been out to check the level but - although the level display outline is available - there is no actual level indication shown on the gauge... so now I'm not sure if the electronic dipstick is working OK? I started the engine and just moved the car a few metres and there were no warning messages.

Oil was last changed by a Volvo dealer about 2k miles ago and I last checked the oil level about 1k miles ago (when the electronic level indicated around 75/80%, which is about what I expected). No obvious signs of leakage in the engine bay nor on the ground where the car is usually parked overnight. Car has now done 73k miles.

I do have a litre of the correct spec oil (Shell 0w20 VCC RBS0-2AE) so I could easily add some, however I've read a few forum posts where owners in a similar position have ended up over-filling. I have carefully studied the owner's manual, but does anyone have any useful experience with this issue? I'm currently tempted to add just 0.25L (rather than the total 0.5L in one go), take it for the minimum '30km drive' then park up for a couple of hours and try the electronic gauge again.

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Shortly after starting a short journey home last night a message popped up to tell me that I needed to add 0.5L of engine oil. I continued home, parked up and turned off, however then realised that I should have parked on a more level location to enable use of the electronic level check. So I immediately restarted the car and moved it; surprisingly the warning message had gone (I did scroll through the messages to check). I then left the car overnight.

This morning I've been out to check the level but - although the level display outline is available - there is no actual level indication shown on the gauge... so now I'm not sure if the electronic dipstick is working OK? I started the engine and just moved the car a few metres and there were no warning messages.

Oil was last changed by a Volvo dealer about 2k miles ago and I last checked the oil level about 1k miles ago (when the electronic level indicated around 75/80%, which is about what I expected). No obvious signs of leakage in the engine bay nor on the ground where the car is usually parked overnight. Car has now done 73k miles.

I do have a litre of the correct spec oil (albeit Shell not Castrol) so I could easily add some, however I've read a few forum posts where some owners in a similar position have ended up over-filling! I have read the owner's manual, but does anyone have any useful experience with this issue?

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No useful experience to contribute, but like all VEA owners I/we have to live in the blind hope that the electronic oil level indicator is up to the job. If there was a retro fit dipstick conversion as there is for the 5 cylinder I would be the first to purchase. For info mine at 92k has never read less than full, so have to assume it is not using any during the 18k I do each year, which is good, if true of course!
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I had the message fill with oil message with my VEA D4 so topped it up. It went to Volvo for the EGR fix and I asked the dealer to check for leaks / check the level was ok. Mine has a very minor oil leak but since getting it back from the dealer after the EGR fix I checked the oil level every day for a month. The car reported max for a month then the next day low oil top up with 0.5l was displayed. I have never seen anything other than max or min on the indication.

In my opinion it is not fit for purpose. If they want these for people that don't check oil levels then that is fine but as oil level is critical for the engine it should have a user accessible dipstick.
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Discussion here on dipstick regarding levels and fits in with what I observe - max or min and nothing in between (although T6).

https://forums.swedespeed.com/showth...stick-Question

The risk is you could start a 1000 mile journey with it just over the threshold for max and at some point need to fill if you get the message. All good if you find it easily or near a dealer (probably worth having a litre in the car always).
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Discussion here on dipstick regarding levels and fits in with what I observe - max or min and nothing in between (although T6).

https://forums.swedespeed.com/showth...stick-Question

The risk is you could start a 1000 mile journey with it just over the threshold for max and at some point need to fill if you get the message. All good if you find it easily or near a dealer (probably worth having a litre in the car always).
Thanks for that very informative link. While it appears to refer to a previous generation system, I note that a Volvo oil level display is probably only a simply a pass/fail indicator (with maybe 2 or 3 steps) pretending to be an accurate analogue level sensor. Nevertheless, I've still probably suffered some oil loss to cause a transition to a lower threshold, and that does concern me.

Given the uncertainty, I think I'll stick to my plan and try adding just 0.25L, taking a drive, parking up somewhere level for a couple of hours and then seeing if I can read a new level. If not, then I'll repeat that process...
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I bet it will say max even if you put 100ml in but I could be wrong :-)
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I honestly thought that Volvo intentionally only filled the sump to around 75% to allow a little headroom if the DPF regen process caused diesel to enter the sump? But my knowledge is merely anecdotal!

I'm generally happy to trust electronic gauges (i.e. the fuel gauge) but I don't understand the logic of this particular system... apparently the electronic dipstick gives an average for the last 30kms, however I wouldn't necessarily expect the "add oil" warning to be driven from the same sensor (as presumably an immediate warning needs to given that the level is dropping?).

I'll admit that I'm worried...either the level sensor is playing up or my engine has actually lost oil. Neither are good outcomes!
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Shortly after starting a short journey home last night a message popped up to tell me that I needed to add 0.5L of engine oil. I continued home, parked up and turned off, however then realised that I should have parked on a more level location to enable use of the electronic level check. So I immediately restarted the car and moved it; surprisingly the warning message had gone (I did scroll through the messages to check). I then left the car overnight.

This morning I've been out to check the level but - although the level display outline is available - there is no actual level indication shown on the gauge... so now I'm not sure if the electronic dipstick is working OK? I started the engine and just moved the car a few metres and there were no warning messages.

Oil was last changed by a Volvo dealer about 2k miles ago and I last checked the oil level about 1k miles ago (when the electronic level indicated around 75/80%, which is about what I expected). No obvious signs of leakage in the engine bay nor on the ground where the car is usually parked overnight. Car has now done 73k miles.

I do have a litre of the correct spec oil (Shell 0w20 VCC RBS0-2AE) so I could easily add some, however I've read a few forum posts where owners in a similar position have ended up over-filling. I have carefully studied the owner's manual, but does anyone have any useful experience with this issue? I'm currently tempted to add just 0.25L (rather than the total 0.5L in one go), take it for the minimum '30km drive' then park up for a couple of hours and try the electronic gauge again.

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As it has recently been in the dealer for service don't do anything take it back , they were responsible for filling it and most importantly re calibrating the oil level gauge at the same time , it is a mandatory part of the service , i suspect they haven't done that , let them have the hassle of sorting it out ...
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Hi everybody

This is my first post on this forum, so let me first thank all for your very informative contributions.
We have a 64 plate V60 D4 with almost 130k on the clock of which 90% are motorway miles. Regularly changing oil + filters (every 10k), cam belt (water pump and tensioner @108k), breaks, tires etc.
After the last oil + filter change we noticed an increased oil consumption. In just 3000 miles we had to top up a litre of oil. No leaks from the filter housing or around sump nut. Normally (from previous experience) 1l should have been enough for about 15k miles. We are using Comma Eco-V 0w20 (Volvo approved). The only thing I noticed was the car very gently jumped/jerked once or twice when cold.
We took it to Volvo for a health check (and a software update) and they discovered oil leak at cam end cap (requires resealing) and (more worrying!) at valve rocker cover (according to Volvo the cover needs replacing). We are still waiting for the quote (and a heart attack ) .
My questions:
1.) The cam end cap and seal is a relatively straight forward fix. Parts cost about £15, fiddly but doable.
2.) The valve rocker cover however; according to my understanding this is a black plastic cover with a gasket that covers the valves at the top of the engine. Here is my first question;
a.) does it make sense to you, that such vital part needs replacing so soon? I would expect a new gasket should sort the problem?
b.) I have read somewhere on this portal that when multiple gaskets blow, this usually indicates increased pressure in the engine, which usually means the PCV and/or breather pipe is/are blocked. Volvo never mentioned that.
c.) Could "jumping" when cold be somehow connected to PCV rather then oil leak?
I will appreciate any of your experiences or guidance how to resolve this.
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Hi everybody

This is my first post on this forum, so let me first thank all for your very informative contributions.
We have a 64 plate V60 D4 with almost 130k on the clock of which 90% are motorway miles. Regularly changing oil + filters (every 10k), cam belt (water pump and tensioner @108k), breaks, tires etc.
After the last oil + filter change we noticed an increased oil consumption. In just 3000 miles we had to top up a litre of oil. No leaks from the filter housing or around sump nut. Normally (from previous experience) 1l should have been enough for about 15k miles. We are using Comma Eco-V 0w20 (Volvo approved). The only thing I noticed was the car very gently jumped/jerked once or twice when cold.
We took it to Volvo for a health check (and a software update) and they discovered oil leak at cam end cap (requires resealing) and (more worrying!) at valve rocker cover (according to Volvo the cover needs replacing). We are still waiting for the quote (and a heart attack ) .
My questions:
1.) The cam end cap and seal is a relatively straight forward fix. Parts cost about £15, fiddly but doable.
2.) The valve rocker cover however; according to my understanding this is a black plastic cover with a gasket that covers the valves at the top of the engine. Here is my first question;
a.) does it make sense to you, that such vital part needs replacing so soon? I would expect a new gasket should sort the problem?
b.) I have read somewhere on this portal that when multiple gaskets blow, this usually indicates increased pressure in the engine, which usually means the PCV and/or breather pipe is/are blocked. Volvo never mentioned that.
c.) Could "jumping" when cold be somehow connected to PCV rather then oil leak?
I will appreciate any of your experiences or guidance how to resolve this.
Regards
I would certainly check how much crankcase pressure there is by doing the famous test talked about on here ... stretching a rubber glove over the oil filler opening when the the engine is hot and idling . If the glove inflates the pressure is too high . the breather is in the plastic cam cover so maybe they know what they are talking about , you might not even need the seals changing once the pressure has gone.
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