V50 Engine 2.0D : Question For Clan

[askim98]

Hi Clan,

i wanted to ask you a question you might have already been asked but i could not find it on any previuos posts.

i have and old "Eolyes" DPF could i change it with the new Type of DPF?

do you know if the difference of software only ( the timing and a lot of other things have to change) or there is a mechanical difference ( apart from the full exhaust system)?

thank you in advance and sorry possibly for the stupid question.

askim98

[Daim]

I'm not Clan but no you can't.

Reason being: the 2.0d with manual box was never available with a service free DPF. Only the powershift (auto) was... But then on top you'll somehow have to change quite a lot of things. The filter and exhaust are in a different position, as the powershift box has a different engine space "usage". The software will need to be adapted. Etc. etc.

If you have so much cash that you can afford to simply change the entire particulate system, why not simply change car to a newer 2.0l diesel?

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by Daim

I'm not Clan but no you can't.

Reason being: the 2.0d with manual box was never available with a service free DPF. Only the powershift (auto) was... But then on top you'll somehow have to change quite a lot of things. The filter and exhaust are in a different position, as the powershift box has a different engine space "usage". The software will need to be adapted. Etc. etc.

If you have so much cash that you can afford to simply change the entire particulate system, why not simply change car to a newer 2.0l diesel?

or smile like a t*at because you do not have one of those hateful things.

[askim98]

Originally Posted by Ninja59

or smile like a t*at because you do not have one of those hateful things.

telling you the truth if you have problem with the DPF most of the time it is because people dont know how to actually work with it .

askim98

[Ninja59]

Originally Posted by askim98

telling you the truth if you have problem with the DPF most of the time it is because people dont know how to actually work with it .

askim98

True technically you could just remove it though rather than replacing it?

[askim98]

Originally Posted by Ninja59

True technically you could just remove it though rather than replacing it?

telling you the truth i dont want to remove it and i dont want even change it, i was a question that it is been arount my head for a long time, i dont think there is to much difference between the two i think if you have access to the software you can make the swap quite quickly.

but i dont know

askim98

[Daim]

There is a huge difference between both. They both not only have different part numbers but also different ways of working (well, not totally but near). The additive is required to lower the burning temperature of soot so it can burn in the DPF. This means the DPF works at a lower temperature. The other version the engine injects a little more diesel so it can burn in the filter itself. This needs higher temperatures.

Fitting one filter into the other would be stupid or not really clever. If it was a simple "software adaption", don't you think Volvo would have done this rather than having to stock super expensive Eloys and keep on paying cash to get rid of the used full DPFs?

Volvo had the other system with diesel injection longer (first appeared around 2004 on the D5) and would have "easily" been able to add it to the Ford/PSA block/engine. But it isn't that simple.

[askim98]

Originally Posted by Daim

There is a huge difference between both. They both not only have different part numbers but also different ways of working (well, not totally but near). The additive is required to lower the burning temperature of soot so it can burn in the DPF. This means the DPF works at a lower temperature. The other version the engine injects a little more diesel so it can burn in the filter itself. This needs higher temperatures.

Fitting one filter into the other would be stupid or not really clever. If it was a simple "software adaption", don't you think Volvo would have done this rather than having to stock super expensive Eloys and keep on paying cash to get rid of the used full DPFs?

Volvo had the other system with diesel injection longer (first appeared around 2004 on the D5) and would have "easily" been able to add it to the Ford/PSA block/engine. But it isn't that simple.

they dont pay for it the customer still pay for it.

if they had to do the change they would have done it only if the customer pay do they really pay cash to pick them up? i thought that some of the material in it was recycled.

i still am of the advise that if you change all the exhaust system the fuel tank and remove the ADM( additive dosing module) and a software update you should be alright.

the difference in "systems" is dictate only by the ECU nothing else one does need to send extra fuel during the exhaust break the other doesnt as the car has the additive.

at least i think.

[Daim]

Well, keep in your mind, Volvo has to pay for the Eloys and DPF to be kept in their storage space (which costs a lot!) in order to have it on the shelf for a customer demanding it. Thrus people aren't likely to order it. I know of 3 people who drove their 1.6d/2.0d with the DPF until the DPF clogged up, bought a cheap new one from an aftermarket brand, bought the cheaper Eloys at Ford and did it themselves.

So storage, yes, the customer has to pay for it in the end, but then again, the customer must be there to buy it.

A software update isn't enough. I just checked with a friend working at Volvo and he says, that the only way around it is to reflash the entire engine ECU meaning Volvo has to reprogramme it. As Volvo cars though never fitted the 2.0d manual with the service free DPF (only Powershift) you'll need some kind of emulator to tell the ECU that a Powershift is attached. Thrus the ECU is attached to the VIN. The VIN also says which gearbox is fitted. So you'll need to have the ECU running on a different VIN than that of the car itself. And I bet you, if you do an OBD II emissions scan (MOT!) that it will fail, as the VINs are the same and the engine will be setting fault codes over and over.

If you are still convinced, that a simple "plug, flash, play" will work, try Btw.: the tanks (fuel tanks!) are the same...

[askim98]

Interesting this makes me more intreagued I have to know more.

I will ask couple of questions to Volvo uk tomorrow

Thank you for your help it make sense that the ECU has to be flashed.

Clan if you can provide more info please let me know.

Askim98