Volvo cars to take over control from human drivers

[225]

Originally Posted by canis

HELL NO!

I've got a better idea - how about the human can override the machine if he decides the machine isn't as capable?

Since when did a machine outrank me? Machines are subserviant to humans. I am at liberty, a machine is not. I do not have to do what a machine says, and if I do it's because I CHOOSE to, not because I'm forced to.

Being a slave to a machine makes me a slave to it's programmer by proxy.

NO! NO! NO!

I am seriously disturbed by how willing people are to throw away their liberty.

Bloody sheep, the lot of you. Learn to make decisions, learn to make the right ones, and learn to accept the consequences for doing so. Own your sh1t and stop blaming everyone else, especially machinery. Take responsibility for yourselves.

Not sure where you stand on this?..

I agree though, it's bad enough all the so called safety systems bleeping, binging, moving the steering wheel etc as it is. If a car now decides your eyes make you look drunk and pulls over how is it going to know it's safe to do so bar radar?

Thing is a joke and gimick and is definitely pushing me away from Volvo. I really hope the inevitable time when cars scan speed limits and enforce them, track your every move (even more than now) and basically just become robotic human moving devices with no control or interaction is way past the time I hang up my driving licence.

[jonnyu]

Originally Posted by Wizzpop

Boeing 737 M8 were apparently due the aircraft sensors and software countermanding the human pilots to the extent they couldn't regain control.

Errmm what do you mean? Fly-by-wire is a reality on all commercial aircrafts since late 80's. It's not possible on any commercial aircraft to regain manual analog control. It simply doesn't exist anymore.
What happened was an exception not due to automation but due to the company (Boeing) mishandling the situation where they knew that this problem could occur on these airplane models.

The same could happen to Volvo's automation if the brand does not handle these type of issues properly. But this is the way forward.

[anotherv60]

Originally Posted by canis

HELL NO!

I've got a better idea - how about the human can override the machine if he decides the machine isn't as capable?

Since when did a machine outrank me? Machines are subserviant to humans. I am at liberty, a machine is not. I do not have to do what a machine says, and if I do it's because I CHOOSE to, not because I'm forced to.

Being a slave to a machine makes me a slave to it's programmer by proxy.

NO! NO! NO!

I am seriously disturbed by how willing people are to throw away their liberty.

Bloody sheep, the lot of you. Learn to make decisions, learn to make the right ones, and learn to accept the consequences for doing so. Own your sh1t and stop blaming everyone else, especially machinery. Take responsibility for yourselves.

I think you will like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig-N91X5E-k

[Wizzpop]

Originally Posted by jonnyu

Errmm what do you mean? Fly-by-wire is a reality on all commercial aircrafts since late 80's. It's not possible on any commercial aircraft to regain manual analog control. It simply doesn't exist anymore.

I don't have an issue with fly by wire. In manual mode the pilot moves the stick and pedals as if they were mechanically connected. The system reacts only to his inputs. The problem with automated systems is that the system reacts to inputs from sensors. In the Boeing case it seems the sensor was giving incorrect information, which the pilot couldn't overcome.Yes I know the manual system is still digital and software driven, but, in the case of Airbus there are three computers checking each other.

[canis]

Originally Posted by anotherv60

I think you will like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig-N91X5E-k

Well he does have a point:
(edit: quick link to the relevant bit)

It's not okay to depict a technology making negligent driving acceptable.

It's just another geek-orgasm. "Oooh, Look what we can do!"

Even the way my rear wiper sweeps the rear screen when I select reverse without having remebered I must switch off the front wipers before doing so unless I actually do want the rear screen swept - P1SSES ME OFF! It gets right on my bloody nerves!

What are they saving me? A button push? Somebody shoot these idiots!!

The way I figure it; I've got a technology four and a half billion years in development, enabling me to decide whether to wipe my rear screen or not. But in one overpaid late-night cum-squirt, some volvo geek deems himself able to improve upon that. Can you say deluded?

[dchbrown]

The age old problem:

They are so concerned with if they “could” do something, they never stop to think if they “should” do it.

[ergonomist]

Originally Posted by canis

The way I figure it; I've got a technology four and a half billion years in development, enabling me to decide whether to wipe my rear screen or not. But in one overpaid late-night cum-squirt, some volvo geek deems himself able to improve upon that. Can you say deluded?

I respectfully have to disagree. I like the auto rear wiper. I like auto-rainsensing front wipers. I like auto-lights. I do agree that some features could be better implemented, although a huge amount of work does go into the design of such systems. But the technology that has been 'four and a half billion years in development' was not designed to travel at 70mph at a steady speed. Many human failures are precisely because of the way the brain/perception is wired up. Many driver assistance features are intended to mitigate those human limitations.

But I do wholeheartedly agree with the quote that 'It's not okay to depict a technology making negligent driving acceptable'.

Incidentally - the feature that does fall into your Volvo geek category is dimable interior lights. I have never sat in a car and thought 'these lights are a tad too bright...'

[Philip Fisher]

Originally Posted by canis

HELL NO!

I've got a better idea - how about the human can override the machine if he decides the machine isn't as capable?

Since when did a machine outrank me? Machines are subserviant to humans. I am at liberty, a machine is not. I do not have to do what a machine says, and if I do it's because I CHOOSE to, not because I'm forced to.

Being a slave to a machine makes me a slave to it's programmer by proxy.

NO! NO! NO!

I am seriously disturbed by how willing people are to throw away their liberty.

Bloody sheep, the lot of you. Learn to make decisions, learn to make the right ones, and learn to accept the consequences for doing so. Own your sh1t and stop blaming everyone else, especially machinery. Take responsibility for yourselves.

You can quite easily over-ride and control the machine by simply opening your eyes and not swerving across the road

[Haldex]

Originally Posted by Philip Fisher

You can quite easily over-ride and control the machine by simply opening your eyes and not swerving across the road

Exactly!

I would feel way more comfortable using the PA2 if I knew that the car could take control over speed/brakes/steering in an event where no driver input was detected- as oppose to simply flashing a message on the driver display and turning the PA2 off- leaving my (and my family’s..) lives in the hands of God and inertia..

[Whippy]

Originally Posted by canis

<pathetic voice> it's not my fault i was speeding. The car didn't prevent me from doing it.

"Computer says no".