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Old Sep 20th, 2020, 15:44   #41
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That would be a fair comparison because they're both SUV's. Comparing a Toyota IQ with a Bentley Continental isn't a fair comparison, like that warranty company mentioned earlier in this thread does (An IQ shouldn't be on the same list as a £100k+ car, in my opinion). Put the top end luxury cars on one list & your small city cars on another - That's my personal view.

Number 1 on the list on this website https://www.reliabilityindex.com/
is a Toyota IQ (a small city car) & towards the bottom of the list are top end sports cars like an Aston Martin DB9 & a Bentley Continental GT. Yes, you'd expect your £100k car to be reliable, but there's much more to go wrong that when it does, it costs more to repair because its a top end prestige car... A Toyota IQ isn't. Based on that, they (top end cars) get marked down for reliability because they cost more to repair than the little Toyota. There's ten times as many things to go wrong (literally) & these luxury cars cost ten times the price. Who would have thought that a Bentley would be more expensive to repair than a Toyota IQ, or may be less reliable? Cars with complicated electronics all have the same issues. BMW, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Land Rover, Mercedes... That doesn't mean you put them on a list with a car that if you're lucky has electric windows & central locking.

I'd be annoyed if my Toyota IQ cost as much to repair as my fancy Bentley. Being a small city car with literally no complicated electronics, air suspension etc, I'd expect it to be reliable because there's hardly anything to go wrong (You can just about fit a bag of shopping in the boot). Again, that's why I say small city cars shouldn't be on the same list as a top end prestige vehicles.

Lexus always have been, certainly for many years, considered to be the pinnacle of reliability... yet there's hardly any on the roads? Don't be fooled though, they cost a fortune to repair when things do go wrong (Which does happen, as they won't last forever without some kind of hiccup).

You'll count multiple Mercedes, BMW's etc on your daily drive, but hardly any Lexus... Odd, but true. That seems weird considering they're so reliable, but I think its because there's very few diesel models (Apart from the IS as far as I recall, possibly one or two other models) & that wasn't particularly reliable either from what I've heard. So people looking for an Lexus IS sized car go for the more desirable BMW 3 series, or C Class Mercedes (both drive better than the IS actually & outsold the IS by miles). Lexus mainly stuck to big cars with big petrol engines = not affordable to run for most people. Hybrids of course is another forte of theirs, but again, they (Lexus Hybrids) aren't particularly popular either. Another let down is the CVT transmissions that they put in their vehicles. Yes they're incredibly reliable, but have you heard the roar they make at motorway speed? That is not what I expect from a luxury car.
Have you driven an ls600h? Engine and transmission are inauadible. Cvt seems to really suit that installation. Acquaintance owned an ls for 10 years. Needed a set of tyres, brake pads I think and one bulb.
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That would be a fair comparison because they're both SUV's. Comparing a Toyota IQ with a Bentley Continental isn't a fair comparison, like that warranty company mentioned earlier in this thread does (An IQ shouldn't be on the same list as a £100k+ car, in my opinion). Put the top end luxury cars on one list & your small city cars on another - That's my personal view.

Number 1 on the list on this website https://www.reliabilityindex.com/
is a Toyota IQ (a small city car) & towards the bottom of the list are top end sports cars like an Aston Martin DB9 & a Bentley Continental GT. Yes, you'd expect your £100k car to be reliable, but there's much more to go wrong that when it does, it costs more to repair because its a top end prestige car... A Toyota IQ isn't. Based on that, they (top end cars) get marked down for reliability because they cost more to repair than the little Toyota. There's ten times as many things to go wrong (literally) & these luxury cars cost ten times the price. Who would have thought that a Bentley would be more expensive to repair than a Toyota IQ, or may be less reliable? Cars with complicated electronics all have the same issues. BMW, Bentley, Rolls Royce, Land Rover, Mercedes... That doesn't mean you put them on a list with a car that if you're lucky has electric windows & central locking.

I'd be annoyed if my Toyota IQ cost as much to repair as my fancy Bentley. Being a small city car with literally no complicated electronics, air suspension etc, I'd expect it to be reliable because there's hardly anything to go wrong (You can just about fit a bag of shopping in the boot). Again, that's why I say small city cars shouldn't be on the same list as a top end prestige vehicles.

Lexus always have been, certainly for many years, considered to be the pinnacle of reliability... yet there's hardly any on the roads? Don't be fooled though, they cost a fortune to repair when things do go wrong (Which does happen, as they won't last forever without some kind of hiccup).

You'll count multiple Mercedes, BMW's etc on your daily drive, but hardly any Lexus... Odd, but true. That seems weird considering they're so reliable, but I think its because there's very few diesel models (Apart from the IS as far as I recall, possibly one or two other models) & that wasn't particularly reliable either from what I've heard. So people looking for an Lexus IS sized car go for the more desirable BMW 3 series, or C Class Mercedes (both drive better than the IS actually & outsold the IS by miles). Lexus mainly stuck to big cars with big petrol engines = not affordable to run for most people. Hybrids of course is another forte of theirs, but again, they (Lexus Hybrids) aren't particularly popular either. Another let down is the CVT transmissions that they put in their vehicles. Yes they're incredibly reliable, but have you heard the roar they make at motorway speed? That is not what I expect from a luxury car.
I suspect someone looking at a DB9 may not pay particular heed to the relative 'reliability' of a Toyota IQ - or the DB9's to be honest.

It's just a bit of data, compiled from their own readily available stats, for the express purpose of publicising the Warranty Company. I'm not sure why you're so exercised by it?
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I like Lexus, but not the IS220 Diesel. Awful engine and gearbox, turbo lag and head gasket went at 187,000 miles. Got 18 months out of it.

I like the GS 450h and the RX400H.

They, like all cars have issues, like the air suspension, Y piece on exhaust rotting out around 12 years on the IS250. Sticking sliders on brakes. The nice thing though, like an older Volvo, aftermarket parts available.

The build quality is fabulous and even a 2006 IS220D has driver and passenger knee airbags, side, curtain and front. Traction Control and Vehicle stability Control.

Yes, I would buy another Lexus, probably a GS450h or RX400h.

I have a 2015 Toyota Auris Hybrid, Good car. It does make a noise only when accelerating hard while up to the Motorway speed limit, then back to normal. Now I don't even notice.

The AC has stopped working, had to wait 2 months as condenser on back order, but thankfully being replaced under Toyota warranty next week.

Would love a Toyota Corolla 2 litre hybrid, Estate in Denim Blue or Scarlet Flare! The 2 litre apparently less roar when revved and more diesel like in driveability.

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I like Lexus, but not the IS220 Diesel. Awful engine and gearbox, turbo lag and head gasket went at 187,000 miles. Got 18 months out of it.

I like the GS 450h and the RX400H.

They, like all cars have issues, like the air suspension, Y piece on exhaust rotting out around 12 years on the IS250. Sticking sliders on brakes. The nice thing though, like an older Volvo, aftermarket parts available.

The build quality is fabulous and even a 2006 IS220D has driver and passenger knee airbags, side, curtain and front. Traction Control and Vehicle stability Control.

Yes, I would buy another Lexus, probably a GS450h or RX400h.

I have a 2015 Toyota Auris Hybrid, Good car. It does make a noise only when accelerating hard while up to the Motorway speed limit, then back to normal. Now I don't even notice.

The AC has stopped working, had to wait 2 months as condenser on back order, but thankfully being replaced under Toyota warranty next week.

Would love a Toyota Corolla 2 litre hybrid, Estate in Denim Blue or Scarlet Flare! The 2 litre apparently less roar when revved and more diesel like in driveability.

James.
That gen IS definitely had diesel problems, know a few owners who had problems, and the older rx models can rot!! But I would have a ls600h from say, 2014 or so over any other luxury car.
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That gen IS definitely had diesel problems, know a few owners who had problems, and the older rx models can rot!! But I would have a ls600h from say, 2014 or so over any other luxury car.
They can indeed. The problem seems so many plastic covers, you don't see it until too late!

The IS220D should never of had a Lexus badge!
The LS 600H as you say is lovely, especially with the Rear Relaxation package with reclining seats.
I also like the older LS430. Prefer the more modern looks of the LS460 though.

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They can indeed. The problem seems so many plastic covers, you don't see it until too late!

The IS220D should never of had a Lexus badge!
The LS 600H as you say is lovely, especially with the Rear Relaxation package with reclining seats.
I also like the older LS430. Prefer the more modern looks of the LS460 though.

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ls400 over 430 for me, absolute honey of a car.
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Have you driven an ls600h? Engine and transmission are inauadible. Cvt seems to really suit that installation. Acquaintance owned an ls for 10 years. Needed a set of tyres, brake pads I think and one bulb.
I think the petrol IS models are good, but the diesel not so much.

I haven't driven an LS600H, but I've had a spin in two GS300's (A 2005 & a 2007). The newer GS300 CVT sounds like a roaring moped under acceleration, so I can only assume the LS is more refined in terms of insulation etc being the pinnacle of the Lexus range.

A chap who lives a few doors down from me had a Mercedes S600 with the limo body (I think that was a 2002 plate), but he swapped that for an LS460 (not a hybrid, 2008 plate if I recall correctly). He said he's lucky to get 12mpg out of the LS around town, but I suppose that's to be expected on a car that size (Just over 5 metres long) with a massive 4.6 litre petrol engine. Then again, he said the Merc was around the same & it was actually a bigger car.

The newer LS600 hybrid's (2013 onwards) are surprisingly economical considering they still have 5.0 litre petrol engines. That's where the hybrid aspect comes into action I suppose, but to get 25-26mpg** around town out of a car that has a 5.0 litre petrol engine & is around 5.2 metres long is decent (Newer models are longer than the older ones). **Quoted figures, probably much less than this in real world.

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I suspect someone looking at a DB9 may not pay particular heed to the relative 'reliability' of a Toyota IQ - or the DB9's to be honest.

It's just a bit of data, compiled from their own readily available stats, for the express purpose of publicising the Warranty Company. I'm not sure why you're so exercised by it?
Maybe they should collate & publish the data properly. I'm not "exercised" by anything... I'm just stating my opinion that a Toyota IQ shouldn't be on the same list as a £100k sports car. Again, this is my opinion... Whether you agree or not is your choice & I'm not particularly bothered if you do or don't.
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I think the petrol IS models are good, but the diesel not so much.

I haven't driven an LS600H, but I've had a spin in two GS300's (A 2005 & a 2007). The newer GS300 CVT sounds like a roaring moped under acceleration, so I can only assume the LS is more refined in terms of insulation etc being the pinnacle of the Lexus range.

A chap who lives a few doors down from me had a Mercedes S600 with the limo body (I think that was a 2002 plate), but he swapped that for an LS460 (not a hybrid, 2008 plate if I recall correctly). He said he's lucky to get 12mpg out of the LS around town, but I suppose that's to be expected on a car that size (Just over 5 metres long) with a massive 4.6 litre petrol engine. Then again, he said the Merc was around the same & it was actually a bigger car.

The newer LS600 hybrid's (2013 onwards) are surprisingly economical considering they still have 5.0 litre petrol engines. That's where the hybrid aspect comes into action I suppose, but to get 25-26mpg** around town out of a car that has a 5.0 litre petrol engine & is around 5.2 metres long is decent (Newer models are longer than the older ones). **Quoted figures, probably much less than this in real world.



Maybe they should collate & publish the data properly. I'm not "exercised" by anything... I'm just stating my opinion that a Toyota IQ shouldn't be on the same list as a £100k sports car. Again, this is my opinion... Whether you agree or not is your choice & I'm not particularly bothered if you do or don't.
To clarify, I am talking about the LS, IS is a much lesser model and quite rightly, lexus don't use diesel in their halo cars. I find that astonishing that your acquaintance got 12mpg round town. None of the larger engined cars I have owned have plumbed those depths but I guess it depends on what 'round town' means. My old 97 LS400 would pull low thirties on any decent run, ease into high teens/low twenties used around town and averaged 22/24mpg week in week out all the time I had it.
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To clarify, I am talking about the LS, IS is a much lesser model and quite rightly, lexus don't use diesel in their halo cars. I find that astonishing that your acquaintance got 12mpg round town. None of the larger engined cars I have owned have plumbed those depths but I guess it depends on what 'round town' means. My old 97 LS400 would pull low thirties on any decent run, ease into high teens/low twenties used around town and averaged 22/24mpg week in week out all the time I had it.
He only uses his LS460 (2008 plate) for short runs to a factory that he owns, which is probably around 5 miles away at a push & back home again (10 miles per day). I can only presume that the engine is barely getting warm only doing a 5 mile trip & that affects the mpg. Although petrol cars do get warmer quicker than diesel ones do, generally. The car itself only books at 17mpg around town (Not a hybrid model), so 12mpg real world isn't a million miles off. Maybe mpg would increase if he took it on a longer "round town" trip. He doesn't though, it just goes to & from his factory each day and its garaged most weekends.

As long as I've known, he's always had big saloons with big engines, loaded to the hilt with accessories (Nice choices ). Prior to the LS460, he had a Mercedes S600L... That was a very big car, the 460 looks small in comparison.
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